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I did'nt realise that you spoke English with a Punjabi accent Dexy.
Dexy speaks 2 languages....... English and Rubbish. :dance:
Times they are a changing
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I did'nt realise that you spoke English with a Punjabi accent Dexy.
Dexy speaks 2 languages....... English and Rubbish. :dance:
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During a recent training day I asked our 'leaders' if we were trying to do the best for our students, or just hit government targets. In the following (long) moments of silence, colleagues sitting next to me started to shuffle away...
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A few years back I spoke to a head teacher whose aim was not 'to get a computer in very home' but 'to get a book into every home'... You can only teach kids so much in the time available and unfortunately many parents take no responsibility for their children's education.
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wasted years
Although I was quite a bright and reasonably keen pupil (in my opinion at least), and emerged from the excellent schools education system of the 60's and 70's with some decent old-fashioned "qualifications", as I have grown older and wiser and looked back at all those long hours, weeks and years of my life that were irreplaceably used up in following someone elses' idea of what was best for me, I genuinely wish that I'd spent more of those priceless chunks of my life in doing something more fruitful or worthwhile, such as chasing girls!!
Although I was quite a bright and reasonably keen pupil (in my opinion at least), and emerged from the excellent schools education system of the 60's and 70's with some decent old-fashioned "qualifications", as I have grown older and wiser and looked back at all those long hours, weeks and years of my life that were irreplaceably used up in following someone elses' idea of what was best for me, I genuinely wish that I'd spent more of those priceless chunks of my life in doing something more fruitful or worthwhile, such as chasing girls!!
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I must admit that i considered homework to be an infringement of my liberties and stood against my out of school curricular activities, Amateur Radio/electronics, cycle racing, fishing, camping all of which broadened my knowledge beyond the school curriculum and made me what I am now.
What ever that may be??
Education goes far beyond the bounds of school, that's only a starting point, but without the basics of the 3R's it's so difficult to self educate.
I know many very skilled people with large amounts of practical skills, common sense and the ability to "do" things that left school with little or no qualifications, unfortunately these days, the majority of employers have been blinded by the educational mantra that only those with qualifications can do well.
Sadly another aspect of the educational system I have seen in younger people is that if they haven't been on a course to learn something, then they cannot possibly actually do anything.
Many times, the further education system are behind the times, especially in developing areas such as new technology. (they were 45 years a go as well)
I don't know about others, but I feel the NVQ system is on the whole worthless, but just a further push so that people can have a "Qualification"
What ever that may be??
Education goes far beyond the bounds of school, that's only a starting point, but without the basics of the 3R's it's so difficult to self educate.
I know many very skilled people with large amounts of practical skills, common sense and the ability to "do" things that left school with little or no qualifications, unfortunately these days, the majority of employers have been blinded by the educational mantra that only those with qualifications can do well.
Sadly another aspect of the educational system I have seen in younger people is that if they haven't been on a course to learn something, then they cannot possibly actually do anything.
Many times, the further education system are behind the times, especially in developing areas such as new technology. (they were 45 years a go as well)
I don't know about others, but I feel the NVQ system is on the whole worthless, but just a further push so that people can have a "Qualification"
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I agree with Bigpeetee about school homework. In my last couple of years at school I think every teacher habitually gave out homework. It wasn't always relevant or useful, but they kept on giving it out day after day. I seem to remember spending about three hours per night, plus more at weekends ploughing my way through it all. Looking back afterwards, I really don't think those extra "stolen" hours of my life helped very much with my studies. If anything, homework probably did more to break my spirit and dull my interest in learning at school.
Luckily, my interest in learning was restored when I left school at 16 and moved on to a technical college to follow my chosen career path (at that time) in engineering, then electrical engineering. All of a sudden we were being treated like adults. Everything we learned, either practical or technical, was actually interesting, relevant and even useful! But best of all, we didn't have to spend all those mind-numbing hours each night doing homework!!
Luckily, my interest in learning was restored when I left school at 16 and moved on to a technical college to follow my chosen career path (at that time) in engineering, then electrical engineering. All of a sudden we were being treated like adults. Everything we learned, either practical or technical, was actually interesting, relevant and even useful! But best of all, we didn't have to spend all those mind-numbing hours each night doing homework!!
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NVQ... aka 'Not Very Qualified'
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This thread is really turning into a nightmare for me!! Firstly I have dim and distant memories of school homework brought back to the fore, then try as I might to ignore the mention of NVQ, it is repeated in further posts!!
I had the unfortunate priviledge of being an NVQ Assessor for around 14 years. It was just one of the many and varied requirements and responsibilities in my job description (sorry...."rolemap"). In the old days, a new starter/recruit/trainee would be trained in the traditional manner, learning as they went along and being given periodic exams and practical trials etc to guage their abilities and weaknesses. Progress reports would be submitted and the on-the-job training adapted in a common-sense manner to suit their needs. Where necessary, a good ear-bashing or kick up the backside would be administered to suitably aid their progression!
When NVQs came along, we as supervisors/instructors/assessors actually had to be nice to the recruit/trainee (sorry "candidate"). The first thing they were told was that there was no time-limit to their training schedule. If they needed six years to reach the competency level that had previously taken four years, that was no problem or cause for concern. It simply meant that they had individual training needs that were different to others. The most unbelievable part of it all was the amount of paperwork that had to be completed by the trainee/candidate and the instructor/assessor for every tiny stage of their development, especially in the early years of NVQ! (Any of my old work colleagues who care for my wellbeing know better than to say anything NVQ related to me!).
To be fair to anyone who has been developed through the NVQ process, the general principle of it all was good. It provided documented evidence that they were competent in the knowledge requirements and practical skills needed for their particular area of work. It was (and probably still is) the the most mind-numbing process of training and development that has ever existed. Nearly all of the recruits/trainees that went through the process hated it almost as much as we did! If you hear anyone saying good things about the actual NVQ process, my advice would be to humour them, but try to walk away slowly to a place of safety!
As we are getting ever closer to Christmas, let's try to have no more depressing talk of homework or NVQs. Let's try to cheer up this thread by talking of more jolly subjects, such as Health and Safety Regs, Risk Assessments etc. (And just pray that Santa doesn't have to become NVQ qualified, or Risk Assessed!)
Merry Christmas to Wildcampers everywhere!! :king: :fun: :king:
I had the unfortunate priviledge of being an NVQ Assessor for around 14 years. It was just one of the many and varied requirements and responsibilities in my job description (sorry...."rolemap"). In the old days, a new starter/recruit/trainee would be trained in the traditional manner, learning as they went along and being given periodic exams and practical trials etc to guage their abilities and weaknesses. Progress reports would be submitted and the on-the-job training adapted in a common-sense manner to suit their needs. Where necessary, a good ear-bashing or kick up the backside would be administered to suitably aid their progression!
When NVQs came along, we as supervisors/instructors/assessors actually had to be nice to the recruit/trainee (sorry "candidate"). The first thing they were told was that there was no time-limit to their training schedule. If they needed six years to reach the competency level that had previously taken four years, that was no problem or cause for concern. It simply meant that they had individual training needs that were different to others. The most unbelievable part of it all was the amount of paperwork that had to be completed by the trainee/candidate and the instructor/assessor for every tiny stage of their development, especially in the early years of NVQ! (Any of my old work colleagues who care for my wellbeing know better than to say anything NVQ related to me!).
To be fair to anyone who has been developed through the NVQ process, the general principle of it all was good. It provided documented evidence that they were competent in the knowledge requirements and practical skills needed for their particular area of work. It was (and probably still is) the the most mind-numbing process of training and development that has ever existed. Nearly all of the recruits/trainees that went through the process hated it almost as much as we did! If you hear anyone saying good things about the actual NVQ process, my advice would be to humour them, but try to walk away slowly to a place of safety!
As we are getting ever closer to Christmas, let's try to have no more depressing talk of homework or NVQs. Let's try to cheer up this thread by talking of more jolly subjects, such as Health and Safety Regs, Risk Assessments etc. (And just pray that Santa doesn't have to become NVQ qualified, or Risk Assessed!)
Merry Christmas to Wildcampers everywhere!! :king: :fun: :king:
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