SORNing your vehicle whilst on a campsite.

[Obanboy666]

Sorry, you can not tax a vehicle monthly. What you can do is pay for it monthly if paid for on direct debit.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-changes
If you SORN a vehicle then whatever tax is left on the vehicle will be refunded. When you want to use it on the road again you will have to re-tax it again.
So to do what you are suggesting . SORN vehicle on last day of month, DVLA will refund any tax that's left to run. T
Make new application to tax vehicle on the first of month in which you intend to use it.
Only by SORNing for full months will you get any benefit!

What an arse on, not worth the chew imho unless for a few months.

 

[Deleted member 9237]

The police here can find out in 10 min if you motor is legal in your own country if not you will not be allowed to dive it in this country

 

[Polar Bear]

What an arse on, not worth the chew imho unless for a few months.

I concur.
My MH has been taxed continually since I bought it and its not turned a wheel since I had my knee op! like you say not worth the trouble and you don't know when you will may have to move in an emergency?

 

[Siimplyloco]

A campsite is classed as a public highway because the public have the right to unrestricted access to it. Thus you cannot SORN a vehicle on a campsite.

Are you quite sure about that John? At Hendon we were taught that The Road Traffic Act - covering most driving offences - applies to any ROAD to which the public have access. A private road can therefore come into this category, but so long as it is private land then Vehicle Excise Duty is NOT payable. I had to know this in order to nick people.....
John

 

[John H]

Are you quite sure about that John? At Hendon we were taught that The Road Traffic Act - covering most driving offences - applies to any ROAD to which the public have access. A private road can therefore come into this category, but so long as it is private land then Vehicle Excise Duty is NOT payable. I had to know this in order to nick people.....
John

Technically, yes it is counted as the public highway because the public have access to it. Thus you can technically be prosecuted for not taxing the vehicle and technically you can be prosecuted for bring in charge of a vehicle whilst over the legal limit for alcohol! In practice, these things are not enforced but I suspect that if there were an accident involving your vehicle on a campsite then the insurance company would love to have an easy let-out for not paying. Personally, I prefer not to save a few pounds and to have full protection but if others want to do it then that is up to them - as long as they are aware of the potential risks, however small.

 

[blackbird100]

as I see it

If once your on a camp site, then sorn it..if you do not intend to drive around the country of your stay. pop out to Aldi..etc
you will get what ever you have left of the 12 months Tax back, but loose any halfway tax,IE Mid month

The sorn states that you are not intending to use your vehicle on a public road in the UK/northern Ireland
If the vehicle is taxed it also must be insured

but if you keep the tax on it you are entitled to pop about in it,any where in the Eu..All Ved is reciprocal in the EU
so is the insurance

The Spanish have VED, but most of them don't often pay it, until they dispose or sell car/van etc. then they have to, Thats why you see so many old vehicles just dumped along side houses etc

Some UK insurances
require that you must maintain the tax for it to apply (Mine Does Not) but this is a Grey area, and if you are not using it on the road any where, then I don't see a problem
No road use means no accidents in theory, so no insurance required. However the pit fall may be when your actually parked up on a foreign campsite with fully comp cover, and something happens your fault or someone else's , and if your insurance states it must be taxed, you might find they wont pay up.

So!! not sure if they do or don't?
Call them and ask

Hope it helps

and Ps. this site is for every one, camping, wilding, using campsites..

 

[portiapug]

Are you quite sure about that John? At Hendon we were taught that The Road Traffic Act - covering most driving offences - applies to any ROAD to which the public have access. A private road can therefore come into this category, but so long as it is private land then Vehicle Excise Duty is NOT payable. I had to know this in order to nick people.....
John

Quite correct. The Police can enter a Campsite and have jurisdiction for driving offences (including using a breathalyser).

 

[st3v3]

We are talking private land as is on campsites so wouldn't be insured anyway.

Fire and theft?

 

[Obanboy666]

Quite correct. The Police can enter a Campsite and have jurisdiction for driving offences (including using a breathalyser).

And why shouldn't they. What if someone hits your motorhome, imagine the nightmare scenario what could take place if they denied all responsibility and were pissed. First thing I would do is call the police to hopefully sort it out.

 

[The Camper]

After reading the replies a quite relevant point has come to mind.

Are we insured whilst on a campsite/private land either taxed or not?

Would we have a problem claiming for fire, theft or damage to our vans.

Perhaps one of the insurance gurus could answer.

 

[yeoblade]

Just like I like to see all the mainland European cars over here Taxed and insured, then we should comply with their laws also. I believe after 6 months foreign vehicles should register in then UK but I have seen a couple of Polish cars near here that have been here well over that time.

I heard recently on the news that the UK borders agency have no idea when foreign cars come and go from the UK so cannot enforce it, Strange that, when a car park company using ANPR can put such systems in all over the country, to monitor parking, as we all know.

 

[FULL TIMER]

I think you'll find that most motorhome insurance stipulates that the vehicle must be taxed at all times throughout the term of insurance , also sure I read somewhere that campsites etc have a clause within the "rules" or planning regs that all vehicles using the campsite must be taxed and road legal etc

 

[Obanboy666]

It's about time road tax was abolished, with duty added to cost of fuel, use road network frequently, user pays for the privilege. I imagine current method being the better earners for the rogues at Westminster.

Totally agree. It would also stop the tax dodgers avoiding paying the road tax.

 

[Wooie1958]

Just like I like to see all the mainland European cars over here Taxed and insured, then we should comply with their laws also. I believe after 6 months foreign vehicles should register in then UK but I have seen a couple of Polish cars near here that have been here well over that time.

I heard recently on the news that the UK borders agency have no idea when foreign cars come and go from the UK so cannot enforce it, Strange that, when a car park company using ANPR can put such systems in all over the country, to monitor parking, as we all know.

We have the East European registered cars around here, they work on the produce farms out Farington Moss, Tarleton & Hesketh Bank way.

There`s a battered old VW Golf around the corner that`s been here for at least 2 years and still on Polish plates.

 

[John H]

After reading the replies a quite relevant point has come to mind.

Are we insured whilst on a campsite/private land either taxed or not?

Would we have a problem claiming for fire, theft or damage to our vans.

Perhaps one of the insurance gurus could answer.

I'm not an insurance guru but if your vehicle is properly taxed, insured and maintained then your insurance is valid wherever the vehicle is legally parked. As for the rest of it, I suggest you ask your insurance company because they all have subtle differences.

 

[GWAYGWAY]

Yep, no road tax in France, fuel normaly cheaper..............the joys of living in rip off Britain!

Take a trip on the Autoroute and that's a years worth of Road Tax.
As for adding it to the fuel we already pay more than most for that so why add more?
The road traffic act does not apply to road tax it comes under the finance act for whatever year you are in.

 

[Cliffy]

We are talking private land as is on campsites so wouldn't be insured anyway.

Last year whilst our van was in storage on a cossa site a gale blow a full sized trampoline into our van smashing the windscreen and causing some minor damage to the overcab. The insurance company paid for the new windscreen, excess of £60 paid by me and I repaired the minor damage thus saving the no-claims bonus.

There was no argument about being on private land, the van was fully taxed and MOTd which I suppose they checked before giving Autoglass the go ahead.

 

[El Veterano]

Sorry, you can not tax a vehicle monthly. What you can do is pay for it monthly if paid for on direct debit.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-changes
If you SORN a vehicle then whatever tax is left on the vehicle will be refunded. When you want to use it on the road again you will have to re-tax it again.
So to do what you are suggesting . SORN vehicle on last day of month, DVLA will refund any tax that's left to run. T
Make new application to tax vehicle on the first of month in which you intend to use it.
Only by SORNing for full months will you get any benefit!

But if you are only paying for your tax on the new per month scheme (at the slightly higher rate) and you SORN it at the end of the first month, then there is nothing to refund. Which is precisely what I am about to do - the van is currently SORN'd, I am taxing it next week, so it will be effectively taxed from the beginning of December on the monthly DD to take to France for a week, and then putting it back on SORN when we get back on 28th December.

 

[El Veterano]

I concur.
My MH has been taxed continually since I bought it and its not turned a wheel since I had my knee op! like you say not worth the trouble and you don't know when you will may have to move in an emergency?

With the new online setup you can tax or SORN your van in less than 5 minutes and per month. So why on earth would you give the DVLA £20 plus per month for it to sit on your drive or in a compound. I'm taxing or SORNing mine as and when I need/ don't need it.

 

[Tezza33]

With the new online setup you can tax or SORN your van in less than 5 minutes and per month. So why on earth would you give the DVLA £20 plus per month for it to sit on your drive or in a compound. I'm taxing or SORNing mine as and when I need/ don't need it.

My thoughts exactly