Schengen travel for eu/non eu couple

REC said:
We did not have to quarantine in entry to France or Spain but now Spain will insist on 14 day quarantine ( hotels were stated in original proposal) from 15th May till 24/5 when it will probably be extended. Certain people are exempt from the quarantine but cannot see the clause which allowed EU citizens returning to habitual residence transiting through Spain, it may still stand and just not be clear, but think they may well impose the quarantine. France also have a quarantine rule but there are more exemptions
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France's New Quarantine Rules Could Be Applied to Travelers from EU Countries

A previous decision of the French government to apply quarantine rules to travellers coming from non-EEA countries may include travellers coming from the EU and Schengen countries as well, after all. According to the Health minister Olivier Véran, travellers coming from EU countries may also...
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The only reason you would be allowed in either France or Spain is if you have residence. So no motorhoming for the foreseeable future!
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This is the latest certificate required for travelling over 100km in France.
As you will see leisure travel, overnight stays in motorhomes and foreign holidaymakers are not included!

Persons who have their main residence in France, and their spouses and children;

Persons in transit through France to their residence, and their spouses and children;

[ ] Healthcare professionals for the purposes of combating COVID-19;

[ ] Transporters of goods, including sailors;

[ ] Crews and personnel operating passenger and cargo flights, or travelling as passengers to reach their departure base;

[ ] Personnel of diplomatic and consular missions, as well as international organizations headquartered or having an office in France, holding a special residence permit or a visa D “carte PROMAE”;

[ ] Cross-border workers at internal land borders.

[ ] French citizens, and their spouses and children.
 
Snapster said:
This is the latest certificate required for travelling over 100km in France.
As you will see leisure travel, overnight stays in motorhomes and foreign holidaymakers are not included!

Persons who have their main residence in France, and their spouses and children;

Persons in transit through France to their residence, and their spouses and children;

[ ] Healthcare professionals for the purposes of combating COVID-19;

[ ] Transporters of goods, including sailors;

[ ] Crews and personnel operating passenger and cargo flights, or travelling as passengers to reach their departure base;

[ ] Personnel of diplomatic and consular missions, as well as international organizations headquartered or having an office in France, holding a special residence permit or a visa D “carte PROMAE”;

[ ] Cross-border workers at internal land borders.

[ ] French citizens, and their spouses and children.
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Think this is what I was saying, regarding French rules. It is the Spanish quarantine which seems stricter. I did not suggest that anyone could travel for leisure could travel or stay overnight? Or were you just clarifying further?
 
Just clarifying in case some think that allowing travel between UK and France means you can holiday here at the moment.
 
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I think it best if we all accept the fact that foreign travel for leisure will be restricted for most if not all the summer, and maybe longer.
For people to think it will change and there will be free movement again anytime soon is just preparing for disappointment.
The French have already been told to holiday locally and the government has allocated 18 billion Euros to the French-tourist industry to alleviate losses due to the country being closed to foreign holidaymakers.
So, we will all help boost our home country’s economy by holidaying locally.
 
QFour said:
Nothing is going to happen until we get a vaccine that works. Once everyone is vaccinated then we will be able to resume some sort of normality. This virus is going to be around for years until the whole world is vaccinated against it.
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Yes,and unfortunately that is an if not when.
 
Snapster said:
Don’t forget Ireland is not part of the Schengen zone. I don’t know if this will affect Irish citizens and the 90 day limit.
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Schengen is only about border checks not freedom of movement.
All EU countries allow free movement for each other's citizens as we did until this year it's just that we had border checks.
EU are chasing us because we're not just waving people through now as we should be doing until the end of year.
 
the flip on the French waiver was down to EU threatening legal action for discrimination against other EU citizens I believe ?
 
redhand said:
As someone who can claim Irish citizenship through birth though my wife cannot would this allow us as a couple to stay longer than the 90 days post Jan 2021
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Ireland is not in Schengen
 
Schengen has nothing to do with duration of stay which is determined by nationality.
 
Clunegapyears said:
I’m in the sloooow process, but don’t actually need to.
You can only get an Irish passport/citizenship based on your spouse, if you live in Ireland for five years.
My grandparents were born in Ireland, but you only need one. First stage is to register your birth, which before Covid could take a year. Then you can apply for the passport.
If one of you has an EU passport, the EU law says they will not separate spouses. So realistically, I could travel with James on his Irish passport freely. However some people have said you need to get your wedding certificate notarised and you need to be familiar with the legislation to explain it to some border officials. I’m getting my passport as belt and braces.
Alan and Ruth, who we’ve met, have a comprehensive article about it on their blog
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I'm Interested in the process Cathy, as my mum was born in Ardee. Are you giving up UK citizenship in the process and also what would happen to UK pensions entitlement when successful do you know?
 
Snapster said:
.....,,,,,When you eventually get to France, (after all travel restrictions are lifted) and the Schengen zone, your travel will be dependant on where your passport is issued.
If it’s from a non Schengen country, you are limited to 90 days in every 180.
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POI Admin said:
Only after the end of the transition period, currently 31 December, for those on UK passports.
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I’m pretty sure UK passport holders have never had the right to stay for more than 90 days in 180, the same as the rule applied to ROI passport holders. I just don’t think it was ever enforced for UK tourists.

I know people have travelled around the E.U. for months thinking it doesn’t apply but after reading the Schengen Zone website and ETIAS website, they both confirm this.

From Schengen website

“ Although the United Kingdom is not a member of the Schengen Area, British citizens can travel across Europe visa-free for a maximum of 90 days. Also, from 9 June 2014, all British Overseas Territories citizens (BOTCs), British Overseas citizens (BOCs), British Protected Persons (BPPs), and British Subjects (BS) are allowed to travel visa free to the EU Schengen Area for a maximum of 90 days.


The ETIAS website states the same.

From Jan 2021 you will need an ETIAS form to enter the Schengen zone and the 90 day rule will be fully enforced.
 
@John H has written before about the situation for UK passport holders prior to ****** and quoted the regulations pertaining to exemption from the 90 day rule.

And this still applies till the end of this year.

The ETIAS scheme as you quote doesn't apply till 2021 so is not relevant at present.
 
I have read that a few times. Still unsure though, there seems conflicting evidence especially after reading the articles that I put in my previous posts.
Oh well, it will all be academic in a few months unless the U.K. government can negotiate a better agreement.
 
jim dalton said:
I'm Interested in the process Cathy, as my mum was born in Ardee. Are you giving up UK citizenship in the process and also what would happen to UK pensions entitlement when successful do you know?
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Can hold dual citizenship. Therefore no pension change. J draws both Uk and Irish pensions and his registered base will remain Uk. Also looking at Greek residency certificate!
 
Snapster said:
I have read that a few times. Still unsure though, there seems conflicting evidence especially after reading the articles that I put in my previous posts.
Oh well, it will all be academic in a few months unless the U.K. government can negotiate a better agreement.
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I think the confusion arises in that countries can ask EU members to prove financial support if staying over three months and also some can insist that you register if staying more than three months. After we leave EU, we lose the right to stay more than three months schengen country.
 
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