Radio Scotland - Tourism

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Does anyone listen to Scotland Outdoors on Saturday mornings at 6.30 am? Brilliant programme! They are doing a special this Sat 18th Nov about Tourism in Scotland, bearing in mind the problems there have been this year, particularly on Skye and the NC500. I've sent them an email below, if anyone else wants to contact the program to make any suggestions it might be an idea.

Lesley

Hi Mark and Euan,

with ref to your program next week about tourism, we guess the impact of the high numbers of tourists will be discussed. One of the things will probably be the number of motorhomes/campervans and the impact on local services.

We have caravanned for many years, and switched to a motorhome over four years ago, and have noticed a huge increase in vans in that short time. While caravans mainly stay on campsites, the freedom a moho gives to ‘wild camp’ is part of its appeal, and with everything on board it’s not necessary for us to use caravan sites very often. Often caravan sites are situated well out of towns or villages, so when you are parked up there you are restricted to where you can walk to.

We have heard about the dumping of toilet waste by irresponsible campers, it is indeed reprehensible. However, there are very few facilities available for this in Scotland. We also see the increase in ‘No overnight parking’ signs.

Do you know about the system of Aires on the continent, where motor homing is big. Every town or village has an aire, a parking place for motorhomes only (no caravans), where you can park for up to two nights, empty your toilet cassette, fill up with water and dispose of or recycle your rubbish. Some offer electricity, some do not. Many of the aires are free, some in the more popular places make a charge of around 5 euros per night. There is often a charge of 2 euros to fill up with 100 litres of water, dumping of the toilet cassette is always free. The vans usually park next to each other quite happily, so an aire doesn’t take up a lot of space. Once you get over the shock of thinking it looks like a car park, it’s fine, everyone respects the privacy of others. We have been all over France in the past couple of years using aires, it is a brilliant system. The contrast between the continent and Britain is huge, what must they think of us when they come over here?

The aire is usually within walking distance of the shops, so it is ideal, and it is sort of expected that you will at least buy something locally. Some of the tourist attractions have a space set aside for mohos to park overnight in their car parks, for example at Monet’s garden at Giverny. The result is that motorhomes are welcomed around France, rather than being made to feel a nuisance. Surely there is enough spare bits of land in Scotland to provide something of this sort? Think of all the bits of waste ground on Skye for example, where such a facility would relieve the pressure on people wild camping, getting rid of waste etc.

Trying to force motorhomes to use caravan sites (which usually cost around £30 upwards per night) for facilities they neither want nor require, isn’t going to work. Motorhoming is different from caravanning. Instead of thinking or it as a problem, it is an opportunity for enterprising councils to provide what are after all quite basic facilities which would solve the problem of waste dumping, giving mohos a place to stopover, ease pressure on the roads, and would bring finance to local shops and businesses. This would be a win win situation for everyone.

Love the program by the way (we live near Arbroath)

Cheers
Lesley and David Crawford
 
A good piece of writing which explains our case well. May I suggest that if you follow it up, that you put extra emphasis on the money coming into the local economy so that we create an image of helping the economy (which we know we do) to offset the increased road usage etc which may seem off putting to residents.


Davy
 
Very well put Lesley.

It really is simple to provide at least a tip off for the loos with very little effort / expense. In Braemar for example the outside tap has a drain under it but the only way to empty a cassette is to go in to the toilets, which is frowned upon, at least by the lady who was cleaning them on the evening we were there. I hope your contact with the programme gets a few council members onside.

Cheers

H
 
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Please update after the programme and let us know if your thoughts were aired ...
 
6.30 AM a little early on a Saturday morning. Have just set a timer to record the program to listen at a later time. :sleep-040::sleep-040: :sleep-027:
 
It might also help our case to stress that motorhomers wild-camping are not simply taking the cheap option. Owning a MoHo is expensive: our motorhomes are expensive bits of kit. Tourists who can afford to spend £50k to £80k for a new motorhome can afford to spend money in local pubs/restaurants, to buy provisions and fuel locally, and boost the local economy by visiting local attractions. Locals could be quids in by investing a small output on basic facilities, which could be funded by making a small charge for "exchanging fluids", and perhaps a small overnight charge.
If they are worries about people staying for a long time, or attracting undesirables, put a limit on how long a van can stay (3 nights max???? allows a couple of full days visiting one area/location): the French find this easy to police.

We go to France at leas twice a year, and use the wonderful French Aires all the time.
 
New motorhome sales are booming. Consequently parking is becoming a bigger and bigger issue. The demographic is reported as becoming younger too.

So what do councils seem to do? Introduce parking restrictions and turn away a potentially significant source of income for the local economy.

With council budgets under huge pressure they need to make some capital expenditure to develop facilities that will attract the tourist £ and €. Borrowing money to fund such projects is very cheap, and has been for a long time, so they need to speculate to accumulate (as the saying goes).

Nonsensical!
 
Hi can I have your permission to post this on Scottish motorhome wildcamps on facebook?
 
Ooo, fame at last. Yes you can post it on Facebook, but please could you delete our names from the bottom first. We prefer to remain incognito where FB is concerned 🤐😁

Lesley
 
Ooo, fame at last. Yes you can post it on Facebook, but please could you delete our names from the bottom first. We prefer to remain incognito where FB is concerned 🤐😁

Lesley

Hi Lesley, will do.
Thanks.
Joe
 
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This is in Gothenburg where those canny Swedes welcome motorhomes. Interestingly the facilities provided for the marina are shared with the motorhomes.

I just don't understand the reticence of British councils.

Feel free to use this image in your dealings with the radio people.Or anyone else working with local authorities.

Cheers

H
 
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Ooo, fame at last. Yes you can post it on Facebook, but please could you delete our names from the bottom first. We prefer to remain incognito where FB is concerned 🤐😁

Lesley

Quite right Dave,hope you enjoy the programme think there will be a lot more listening after you posted on here ,well done hope to meet at the next meet we have
Regards to you both Gordon
 
Its not just France and Sweden

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This is in Gothenburg where those canny Swedes welcome motorhomes. Interestingly the facilities provided for the marina are shared with the motorhomes.

I just don't understand the reticence of British councils.

Feel free to use this image in your dealings with the radio people.Or anyone else working with local authorities.

Cheers

H

It should also be said ...Spain, Portugal, Germany, Italy, Slovenia, Austria and Switzerland...we have stayed extensively in Aires, or Stellplatze, or Aree de Sosta etc. in all of these, there are 10s of thousands of them. In my faltering French, German, Spanish and Italian I have chatted with numerous local motorhomers, and the view among those who have visited UK is that its a beautiful country but owing to the paucity of facilities for motorhomes, the expensive campsites, and hostile parking wardens they are unlikely to return. In less populated country such as Norway, subject to respecting certain rules wildcamping in motorhomes is commonly accepted in rural areas (which are not all that different from parts of Scotland).

At the most basic a tap and removable manhole cover often suffices to create an Aire. Making the manhole cover outside a toilet block removable costs very little (Driil 2 holes and fix a chain or lift up handle) to provide a workable emptying point and avoid the perceivably offensive practice of emptying in public toilets.
 
Belgium

Poor old Belgium...I should have mentioned them too.

There are also one or two private aires in Scotland that deserve a mention
 
Aires in France

[QUOTE...Every town or village has an aire...[/QUOTE]

Careful about over-exaggeration, only some towns and villages, even in France (although exaggeration admittedly didn't do Boris any harm).

Interestingly some Aires have been actively promoted by LA Tourist Offices in popular areas of France. In some cases additional unserviced aires have been provided in peripheral villages to increase and spread the tourist dollar...or euro. Even when such villages don't themselves have any shops or anywhere to spend money this nevertheless helps to increase footfall at local attractions etc. in the general area, and relieve pressure off the more popular spots. These unserviced and therefore inexpensive aires are usually supported by other serviced points (in aires or otherwise) in the area.
 
Aire here in broughshane is owned by shop keepers/local old mill ground ,tokens bought in shops give you lecy ,water and kick open sluce to dump all waste in.
This must and does bring in money,scotland im sure could follow the same practice.
 

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Aire here in broughshane is owned by shop keepers/local old mill ground ,tokens bought in shops give you lecy ,water and kick open sluce to dump all waste in.
This must and does bring in money,scotland im sure could follow the same practice.

Where abouts is this, Trev?

Didn't mention the other European countries specificallyas we only have personal experience of France, Barge.

Lesley
 

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