Portsmouth clean air zone

[TJBi]

On the 2nd map it looks like it borders the A288 but if you know the area I'll take your word on it. Thanks

The second map shows exactly the same zone as the first map. Have a look at the detailed maps using a decent-sized screen and you will see that the eastern side of the zone basically follows the A2047 and the southern edge mainly follows the A2030.

https://cleanerairportsmouth.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Annex-1-Part-1-and-2-Clean-Air-Zone-Boundary-Plans.pdf

 

[drewswfc]

Mines chargeable. Its a 33 year old Talbot express 2.0L petrol with LPG conversion. The LPG conversion counts for nowt now days incredibly.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

I had to register my van with Bradford CAZ but I had to let them know how often I would use it in the zone

As mentioned elsewhere I can go anywhere I like in Scotland as I have a BB so I'm exempt in any vehicle but the van is registered too for a limited period that can be renewed, why can't the rest of the UK do the same.


It's not for 36 months as it's dependent on my BB expiry date.

 

[Moonraker 2]

To me too, but I don't know the area, Bradford is the very worst CAZ in the UK, largest and most expensive.

Another good reason not to go to Bradford.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

OI!!!

 

[GeoffL]

Bradford is the very worst CAZ in the UK, largest and most expensive.

Another good reason not to go to Bradford.

The worst thing about the Bradford CAZ IMO is that it breaks a fundamental promise that was made when these unnecessary measures were first implemented: that the outermost ring road would be outside the zone. Bradford's CAZ boundary is the outer edge of the ring road, so the ring road is inside the CAZ and it's thus impossible for me to transit the Bradford area without incurring a £50 charge

However, Bradford is not the largest and most expensive, that dubious honour goes to the London LEZ AFAICT as it would cost me £300/day to stray inside the M25 -- but at least the M25 itself is outside the zone!

 

[Fisherman]

Glasgow implemented its LEZ over a year ago and in the first year they handed out 38,000 charges making just under one million pounds. Now I am not totally opposed to these charges, and in the case of some cities I would even support them. Try driving throughout Edinburgh ( not just its city centre) and you will see why levels of harmful toxins emitted from engines had to be lowered.
But the problem I have with Glasgow is it has five motorways which dissect the city, and there are no restrictions on any of these. The vast majority of vehicles that pollute Glasgow don’t drive through the city centre roads, they drive on the motorways, particularly the M8. But Glasgow also has the M74, M77, M80, and the M73.

It seems to me that even if you made the whole of Glasgow city centre one massive pedestrian only zone, it would make little difference.

But get used to it, soon driving any type of ICE vehicle in any town or city will be a thing of the past. Thankfully I won’t be here to witness it.

 

[GeoffL]

Glasgow implemented its LEZ over a year ago and in the first year they handed out 38,000 charges making just under one million pounds. Now I am not totally opposed to these charges, and in the case of some cities I would even support them. Try driving throughout Edinburgh ( not just its city centre) and you will see why levels of harmful toxins emitted from engines had to be lowered.
But the problem I have with Glasgow is it has five motorways which dissect the city, and there are no restrictions on any of these. The vast majority of vehicles that pollute Glasgow don’t drive through the city centre roads, they drive on the motorways, particularly the M8. But Glasgow also has the M74, M77, M80, and the M73.

It seems to me that even if you made the whole of Glasgow city centre one massive pedestrian only zone, it would make little difference.

But get used to it, soon driving any type of ICE vehicle in any town or city will be a thing of the past. Thankfully I won’t be here to witness it.

The thing is that air quality throughout UK (including Scotland) is consistently good, as shown both by the Air Quality England and Scottish Air Quality websites, which suggests that these CAZ abominations are merely political and/or cash-grabbing exercises.
That said, I completely agree with your final sentence!

 

[mark61]

As far as personal/private transport goes, driving anything in cities will mostly be a thing of the past. You'll be on public transport or riding.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

When Liz goes on a cruise, I have to drop her off at Bradford interchange for the coach to Southhampton it's getting harder to get anywhere near it these days it's all slowly going pedestrian, god knows how the small businesses are doing it looked to be all cafes and bars last time I went.

 

[Fisherman]

The thing is that air quality throughout UK (including Scotland) is consistently good, as shown both by the Air Quality England and Scottish Air Quality websites, which suggests that these CAZ abominations are merely political and/or cash-grabbing exercises.
That said, I completely agree with your final sentence!

Or you could argue that this is to some extent due to LEZ Geoff.

 

[Fisherman]

As far as personal/private transport goes, driving anything in cities will mostly be a thing of the past. You'll be on public transport or riding.

Sadly Mark, I agree.

 

[alwaysared]

In Scotland it's a penalty, increasing each intrusion to the zone

Surely this is how it should be if they are really concerned about the air quality? Because no matter how much they charge you it doesn't make your vehicle's emissions any cleaner

Regards,
Del

 

[GeoffL]

Or you could argue that this is to some extent due to LEZ Geoff.

You could, but you'd be wrong as (with the exception of Central London -- and then only because that zone predates the available data) the historic data shows consistently low pollution in all the current clean air zones prior to the zones becoming active...

 

[myvanwy]

The irony is, the ferries chuck out more crape then any vehicles. Went on the Pont Aven twice this year. Just before leaving port, it looks as though its still running on nutty slack?

 

[Pudsey Bear]

On the ferry we took to France in April we were on an open deck and the van was covered in black soot as were all the other vehicles.

 

[Hymer Snobs]

The International Ferry Port is outside of the Clean Air Zone, it is the Isle Of Wight Terminal that is inside the zone and you may, or may not, have to pay.

However, make sure you take the first slip road off the M275 which leads to the roundabout under the motorway and into ferry port.

If you were intending going to the Shell Garage just by the terminal to top up before going across the Channel you will need to go to the 2nd roundabout and this is, I understand, monitored.

 

[Canalsman]

The International Ferry Port is outside of the Clean Air Zone, it is the Isle Of Wight Terminal that is inside the zone and you may, or may not, have to pay.

However, make sure you take the first slip road off the M275 which leads to the roundabout under the motorway and into ferry port.

If you were intending going to the Shell Garage just by the terminal to top up before going across the Channel you will need to go to the 2nd roundabout and this is, I understand, monitored.

That's correct. The following roundabout is in the Clean Air Zone.

 

[gasgas]

I have a 1999 Transit motorhome which I just assume is not compliant with anything. Except that it doesn't have the World polluting items (in mining and manufacturing processes and transportation on ships) such as EGR, DPF, computers and all the other emissions related stuff. I recently wanted to drive from A to B, and Sheila the Sat Nav took me unnecessarily out of my way. She wanted me to go through Bath. I proceded cautiously until I came upon the "Give Us Your Money You Nasty Internal Combustion Engined THING" sign, warning that the zone starts in 20 metres. Thanks a lot, this was the first indication. I had been looking for one for a couple of miles because I was aware that Bath has this zone. So of course I did what anyone would do: hold up the traffic while I do a 3 point turn, drive all the way back out causing twice the pollution I would have done if I had been allowed through.

Portsmouth: we recently used up our one year pass to the Historic Dockyard. Using the Wild Camping app we parked up somewhere outside town, hopped on the every-twenty-minutes bus direct to the dockyard an showed our bus passes. Lovely. We have done that in the past: went to visit Cambridge, pulled up at the height barrier at the Park And Ride (£4 each), persuaded the cars behind that there was no height barrier warning sign and could they please all reverse back out into the main road so that I can also reverse out. We then followed a bus that was going into town, parked near to one of its stops, got on the next bus and parked free and bussed free.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

I finally got Liz to apply for her bus pass last week.