NYCC are readvertising their ban on overnight Motorhome Parking

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They make a big noise in their document about amenity and turn over of parking spaces.

All it would take is a simple TRO for all vehicles, max stay 24 hours and no return within 24 hours. Spanish rules of nothing outside vehicles and no rubbish to apply. That way everyone could park overnight in a non discriminatory fashion, not damage the amenity, and it would prevent people taking the P and staying all week giving the turnover of spaces they desire.

But no, they insist on blanket discriminatory bans of motorhomes. Does anyone think this is strange and they may have other motives than those they state?
 
Just sent mine , including the following comments

Many councils in England are now looking at this matter [not a problem] from a different perspective . Campervans , Motorhomes often travel off season and bring a not inconsiderable amount of spending power with them . Providing facilities and spaces for these vehicles brings a source of income to small towns you would not normally get . It works very well in other countries . By all means have a code of conduct but you should be thinking out the box and encouraging our business . Why not liaise with all the relevant motorhome organisations ? I'm pretty certain some have been in touch with you .
I'm not saying the Black Horse or the Station in Whitby would go out of business without my contribution but as an ex-publican I always welcomed extra trade , especially at quiet times
 
I have just had another email today from NYCC regarding the consultation. It has the documents attached but now states:

Good afternoon

Please see attached consultation documents concerning proposals upon which you have expressed a previous interest, for your information. The contents of the letter should be self-explanatory.

Please be aware that the consultation period has been extended and comments will be accepted up until the 19th March 2015.

Kind regards

Emily Murphy
Project Engineer
Area 3 Whitby Office
North Yorkshire County Council
Whitby Highways Depot
Discovery Way
Whitby
YO22 4PZ
08458727374

NORTH YORKSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL
PROPOSED PROHIBITION OF OVERNIGHT PARKING FOR MOTOR CARAVANS
BETWEEN 11.00 PM AND 7.00 AM –
STATEMENT OF REASONS FOR MAKING PERMANENT TRAFFIC REGULATION ORDER​
Introduction
There are a number of attractive sea-front streets within the sea side towns in Scarborough Borough, which in recent years, with the increase in the interest in motor-caravanning, have seen a proliferation in the amount of motor caravans parking and being occupied for a number of nights on the highway. It is considered that the volume of motor caravans seeking access to these streets for this purpose detracts from the amenities of the streets for their residents and other highway users. It is reported that heavily affected sea-side streets often experience one motor caravan being replaced by another.. The County Council is proposing to introduce the proposed Traffic Regulation Order to permanently preserve and address the consequent loss of amenities and to supercede the existing temporary overnight parking restrictions for motor caravans on the roads affected, with the addition of a section of road in Sandsend, which has not been previously covered by a temporary order.
Legal Powers
The County Council are seeking to make the Order pursuant to Section 1(1)(f) of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, which allows a traffic authority to make a Traffic Regulation Order where it appears expedient to make it “for preserving or improving the amenities of the area through which the road runs”.
Section 122 of the 1984 Act also confers a duty on local authorities to exercise the functions contained on them by the Act so as to secure the expeditious, convenient and safe movement of vehicular and other traffic (including pedestrians) and the provision of suitable and adequate parking facilities on and off the highway, having regard to (inter alia) the effect on the amenities of any locality affected and, specifically, the importance of regulating and restricting the use of roads by heavy commercial vehicles, so as to preserve or improve the amenities of the areas through which the roads run.
Loss of Amenities
The order refers to motor caravans and no other vehicle type as the above losses of amenity are most associated with this category of vehicle and whilst it is appreciated that overnight camping may be undertaken in another category of vehicle, the combination of the amenity issues detailed below are significantly likely to be associated with motor-caravans and therefore it is considered that the overnight prohibition of this category of vehicle will improve the amenity of the affected streets.
The specific amenities that the Council considers are impacted upon by the overnight camping of motor caravans are the change in character of a street (from a public highway for all to enjoy, to a camping site), loss of view/sea view for other highway users and particularly for neighbouring properties, noise, litter, extraneous light, and the depositing of waste into highway gullies.
The amenities of the area at the various locations will be improved by the proposed Order because during the evenings and into the night it is felt that residents and business owners should reasonably expect some respite from the parking of motor caravans, for sometimes long durations, in these popular affected sea side streets. Residents should have the reasonable right to enjoy the aspect of their properties and the amenities of the area without large vehicles inhabiting the street adjacent to and in close proximity to their homes, (which in the locations includes, as an amenity, a sea-side aspect).
The amenities are further detracted from through over-night parking of such vehicles due to the impact upon some public services (including road sweeping and waste emptying that overnight camping brings
with it). Further to this, by restricting access at night it ensures that there is a turnover in the spaces taken by such vehicles and ensures they do not park, for sometimes more than a week, outside individual properties. There are many other locations in Scarborough Borough where motor caravans may continue to park unrestricted on the publicly maintainable highway.
The proposed prohibition would cover locations which, prior to the introduction of the temporary orders referred to above, tended to attract motor caravans plus a further section of road in Sandsend that has not been previously covered by a temporary order, yet reportedly experiences similar problems with amenities being affected by motor-caravans. Overnight occupancy of motor caravans on the highway fundamentally alters the nature of the highway in these locations, with negative consequences.
The overnight occupancy of motor caravans means that the individuals residing in the vehicle are temporarily dwelling in the location, and in close proximity to the curtilage of properties that adjoin the highway. This can impact upon the rights of the permanent residents to enjoyment of their property, and their privacy.
The overnight occupancy of motor caravans generates noise, sometimes within close proximity to residential properties which can be anti-social for permanent residents.
The overnight occupancy of motor vehicles on the highway, in locations which do not include appropriate facilities for camping, can lead to inappropriate use of highway gullies and drains for the depositing of waste. The effective “camping” on the highway also generates larger volumes of refuse, beyond the normal amounts of litter generated by those visiting the location for a short-stay. This refuse can be deposited in public litter bins, a purpose for which they are not designed, and a seasonal high volume of waste has historically been experienced in the various locations, which can cause spillages onto the highway and may necessitate the Borough Council increasing its cleansing schedule, to allow the for the bins to be used by day trippers as intended.
Overnight occupancy of motor caravans can increase the level of lighting on the highway during the hours of darkness. This is undesirable because it can be distracting for highway users and anti-social in locations which are in close proximity to nearby residential properties.
It is acknowledged that a 24 hour prohibition of motor caravans would be needed to ensure the amenities referred to above remain completely unaffected, however the Authority does not wish to completely remove the opportunity for those with motor-caravans to access these locations.
Conclusion
The 1984 Act makes it clear that the “amenities” to be preserved or improved are those of the area through which the road(s) run(s) and the County Council acknowledges that there is a balance to be struck between the interests of any class of road users, the interests of other classes of road users and the interests of streetward residents. Not all amenities of the area would be preserved, as one of the amenities is the 24 hour use of the affected streets by motor caravans, which would be prevented by the Order. The County Council also acknowledges that the current temporary overnight parking restrictions were introduced for environmental reasons to aid in the prevention of occupants of motor caravans depositing waste onto the highway and that there are other legal remedies available to tackle this specific issue, but that there are nonetheless additional factors (specified above) which all combine to affect the amenities of the area affected. As stated above, there are many other locations in Scarborough Borough where motor caravans may continue to park unrestricted on the publicly maintainable highway and the Council do not consider it necessary to provide additional dedicated parking places for motor caravans. It is the amenities of the area which on balance are required to be considered as preserved or improved and the County Council takes the view that the proposed Order would be expedient in achieving the purpose of ”preserving or improving the amenities of the area through which the road runs” in line with the provisions of the 1984 Act.

I will now have to check to see if any of the original documents has changed.
 
Quote from the proposed TRO:

'The specific amenities that the Council considers are impacted upon by the overnight camping of motor caravans are the change in character of a street (from a public highway for all to enjoy, to a camping site), loss of view/sea view for other highway users and particularly for neighbouring properties, noise, litter, extraneous light, and the depositing of waste into highway gullies.'

Who makes this s**t up? Is it this Emily Murphy the Project Engineer from NYCC?

Has someone wronged her in another life. I want to know who's depositing rubbish in the gullies, most campers I've ever met go out of their way to clean up the rubbish which is nearly always left from inconsiderate day trippers in cars. Who sleeps with the blinds open? The noise? well maybe that's snoring or people talking in their sleep, but I shouldn't think it as noise pollution.

There's no discussion at all about the continuous mess left by day trippers, or the pollution caused by all the cars passing through. This is a clear breach of human rights and motorhomers are being wrongly accused and singled out. Is this a case of xenophobia?

If you haven't already done so, send in your comments and disapproval online. Here is the direct link to the page on NYCC website:

www.northyorks.gov.uk/motorhomeconsultation
 
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They increased the deadline to 19th March which shows they are getting submerged with objections. Keep them coming!
 
ban on overnight parking

They make a big noise in their document about amenity and turn over of parking spaces.

All it would take is a simple TRO for all vehicles, max stay 24 hours and no return within 24 hours. Spanish rules of nothing outside vehicles and no rubbish to apply. That way everyone could park overnight in a non discriminatory fashion, not damage the amenity, and it would prevent people taking the P and staying all week giving the turnover of spaces they desire.

But no, they insist on blanket discriminatory bans of motorhomes. Does anyone think this is strange and they may have other motives than those they state?

I have just sent my protest inn.telling the council of lost revenue to shops pubs and restaurants I wonder if they have all been informed? We will just spend our money where we are welcome but not£30 a night camp sites
 
Fully intend to, but making a complaint won't harm, as they will set a bad precedent for other councils if they get away implementing this ;)

I agree. I have no intention of ever going there either, but it's important that they are stopped. This is clearly a case of discrimination and they must not get away with it.

As has been said before; councils should be looking at ways of encouraging visitors and their money for the benefit of the local community, not the opposite.

Clearly, there are people that take advantage, but I believe they are in the minority. Because of this, steps need to be taken to limit the length of time a single van can stay.

As is always the case, this will have come about because it's going to line someone's pocket or benefit them in some other way. There may be a minority NIMBY influence, but I doubt it.
 
Thin end of the wedge

I agree but you’ve missed the point. This could quickly escalate to other counties. Better to file a response against discrimination than do nothing.
If you haven't already done so, send in your comments and disapproval online. Here is the direct link to the page on NYCC website:

Motor caravan consultation - North Yorkshire County Council

It is all about perception rather than facts
If other LAs perceive they can do this they will !
so
1 we need to stop them.
2 more importantly we need to get LA's and other to realise/perceive we bring benefits.

I agree with the sentiment "no welcome no cash" but it does not help us !
 
Just submitted my form.

How can they discriminate when vehicles are fully road legal ? ......Totally unjust. :hammer:
 
All done, its very unlikely I will ever visit the area, but if it helps to stop the rot spreading to different parts of the country then
I am all for it.
 
Just wondering if anyone knows the outcome of this NYCC overnight parking ban enquiry? I've not seen anything on this lately but I might have missed it.
 
Maybe they should look at this.

http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/forums...t/32742-motor-home-aires-set-come-dorset.html

There should always be consultation (with all parties concerned) with such sensitive issues and often a compromise can be found or negotiated.
Maybe they shouldn't look at that....as I stated in the thread " don't hold your breath " and 2 years later they have done nothing and from what I hear are going to do nothing. Not really a good example to hold up.
 

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