North West Hosepipe Ban

[Channa]

Storage is not the problem. According to UU for the month of June which was the hottest and driest for years their storage capacity fell between 10 and 15 %. So not really a large amount for what would be classed as exceptional circumstances. Assuming their reservoirs came out of winter, which was a long one full. I know the ones local to me were overflowing.
As far as dredging goes the odd times when I have seen villages exposed and walked the streets there seems to be very little in the way of silt.
If they wanted to they can increase the pressure which would satisfy demand but that would also increase leakage and cost them more money. That is why pressure is reduced at night to save on leakage.

Do not blame the end user. Which is what the water companies are trying to do. They are playing the guilt card. The fault is entirely theirs by not dealing with leakage sufficiently. The leakage figures speak for themselves if people look at them.

Dare I suggest another example of privatisation and feeding shareholders dividends ? Neglecting infrastructure at the expense of feeding shareholders....East Coast rail would suggest more than a grain of truth in my theory.

Channa

 

[r4dent]

Can I use a hose to fill up whilst I'm on a site in the North West?

I can accept (just) that I can't fill my motorhome tank using a hose pipe whilst it is parked on the drive, but what is the situation on a site?

The thing that really hurts is that I have an automatic watering system that keeps my garden alive when I'm away and these are included in the ban despite being 1/4 inch bore.


Ah a loophole... What about people who can’t carry a watering can? "People who are registered disabled or a blue badge holder will be exempt from the hosepipe ban but we would still ask them to be mindful of the amount of water they use."

My son is registered disabled and lives with us. So he can fill the MH, and switch on the irrigation.

"I'm all right Jack" so I fully support the ban.

Say "Hello" if you see me, I'm the one with the clean van !

 

[GWAYGWAY]

The FXXXING idiots are the ones who comment without reading the rules that they are commenting on, so they fail to realise they are utterly and completely wrong.

If you can't be bothered to read the regulation, read post #12

And your point is?

 

[mariesnowgoose]

The FXXXING idiots are the ones who comment without reading the rules that they are commenting on, so they fail to realise they are utterly and completely wrong.

If you can't be bothered to read the regulation, read post #12

I've read your post #12

Everybody, possibly even yourself, Mr Dog, is maybe misunderstanding the water boards' statements.

My understanding, which may of course be incorrect, is you can carry on filling your motorhome water tanks with flexible hose etc. no problem.
In particular, those who live on board their motorhomes full time will be exempt because their water is an 'essential supply', no?

Every one of those 'rules & regulations' appears to apply to unecessary or non-vital use of water, or water that is to be used for 'recreational' purposes - paddling pools, swimming pools etc.

I would argue that if you're living on board your motorhome, or you're using it to travel in it far from home (whether that's for recreational purposes or not) and you have need to fill your water tanks with 'essential' water supplies, then the water boards might find it rather difficult to prosecute.

It's v. interesting. Be nice to see a test case crop up for this one.

Anyone willing to flaunt their water tank filling-up-by-hosepipe (or 'flexible hose' if you prefer) in the face of the water boards who are introducing hosepipe bans and seeing what happens?

I'd definitely run the risk. Bring it on!

 

[harrow]

I've read your post #12

Everybody, possibly even yourself, Mr Dog, is maybe misunderstanding the water boards' statements.

My understanding, which may of course be incorrect, is you can carry on filling your motorhome water tanks with flexible hose etc. no problem.
In particular, those who live on board their motorhomes full time will be exempt because their water is an 'essential supply', no?

Every one of those 'rules & regulations' appears to apply to unecessary or non-vital use of water, or water that is to be used for 'recreational' purposes - paddling pools, swimming pools etc.

I would argue that if you're living on board your motorhome, or you're using it to travel in it far from home (whether that's for recreational purposes or not) and you have need to fill your water tanks with 'essential' water supplies, then the water boards might find it rather difficult to prosecute.

It's v. interesting. Be nice to see a test case crop up for this one.

Anyone willing to flaunt their water tank filling-up-by-hosepipe (or 'flexible hose' if you prefer) in the face of the water boards who are introducing hosepipe bans and seeing what happens?

I'd definitely run the risk. Bring it on!

Your just a hooligan, you have got a person to carry your watering can while you gorge on nectarines, we need drinking water in our taps, ferret washing should also be banned.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Also, if you need to fill up your motorhome water tank you will fill it up regardless, no matter what type of 'kit' you use to get the water from the tap to the tank.

Just makes it a bit slower than using actual hosepipe

 

[harrow]

Also, if you need to fill up your motorhome water tank you will fill it up regardless, no matter what type of 'kit' you use to get the water from the tap to the tank.

Just makes it a bit slower than using actual hosepipe

That's right get Neil moving

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Your just a hooligan, you have got a person to carry your watering can while you gorge on nectarines, we need drinking water in our taps, ferret washing should also be banned.

Agree, ferret washing should definitely be banned. The wee creatures are perfectly capable of washing themselves without our help

I'll have you know I can carry my own watering can without any assistance whatsoever, mr harrow :lol-053:

 

[harrow]

Agree, ferret washing should definitely be banned. The wee creatures are perfectly capable of washing themselves without our help

I'll have you know I can carry my own watering can without any assistance whatsoever, mr harrow :lol-053:

Ah so Neil said he wasn't going to do it ?

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Ah so Neil said he wasn't going to do it ?

No, he's not here so I have to do it myself! :scared:

Anyway, it's usually quicker if I do it.
You might be lucky to get it done by next Xmas if you left it up to his nibs, and that's only in a good year...

:lol-049::lol-053:

 

[DnK]

For goodness sake, this is as stupid as reverse polarity.
My post number 12 contains the entire list of things you are not allowed to do with a hose under the ban. It does not mention filling motorhome water tanks, so that is not banned.
There could be no test case, because there is no prohibition. Why is this so hard to understand?

The link in the first post shows that filling motorhomes has been questioned and theres a clear answer!



You can get away with filling your watering can or other container from the tap with a hose then pouring into moho.
If I fill my watering can up with my hose pipe have I broken the ban?

You can even wash your car (so assume can van) Will I be able to wash my car?

 

[Channa]

I read the answer as a "no " on the ops screenshot.

Aside if you are to fill your MH then for all intents it is a surrogate home on your travels so no different to your permanent residence why I can see Maries point of a test case, and in honesty I had the same thoughts as Mongoose one

Courts are littered with cases contesting interpretation. how lawyers make their money

Channa

 

[mariesnowgoose]

For goodness sake, this is as stupid as reverse polarity.
My post number 12 contains the entire list of things you are not allowed to do with a hose under the ban. It does not mention filling motorhome water tanks, so that is not banned.
There could be no test case, because there is no prohibition. Why is this so hard to understand?

Well hello :wave:

Did we get out of bed wrong side this morning then, mr slightly tetchy?

The original post that started this thread has a link to the United Utilities website.

And on that United Utilities page the question about using a hosepipe to fill water tanks on a motorhome has been clearly asked and subsequently answered by United Utilities

Q: Can I fill the water tanks on my motor home with my hosepipe?
A: No. The ban includes filling a container by means of a hosepipe with water supplied by the company.

Is there anything about the above statement that you don't understand?

Whether United Utilities have access to the same list of banned hosepipe activities as yourself is a moot point.
If they do, then their answer to the very specific question of motorhome-tank-filling-with-hosepipes may well be totally incorrect and misleading.

BUT - their answer is up there in black and white on their website for all to see, and a lot of people will take it at face value and think they're not allowed to use a hosepipe to fill their tanks.

Whatever, there's no need to be quite so belligerent about this to the rest of us, Mr Dog, or I'll start to think I'm in conversation with a troll, or at the very least an intolerant, rather rude know-it-all.

Keep it a bit more chilled, pet, eh?
[h=2][/h]

 

[GWAYGWAY]

My point is that it is a ban on using hosepipes for a list of things. Filling motorhome water tanks is not on the list of things you can't use a hose for.

It is entirely permissible to fill motorhome water tanks with a hose.

Got that? It is allowed. You can do it. OK?

Yes but the Press and media give a completely differing view on these things as normal. The devils in the details and I would think that it would be a brave company to prosecute anyone for infringing rules that appear but not complete. things not prohibited are allowed, SORT OF in the UK, unlike the continent where it has to be allowed, if not it is illegal.

 

[Fazerloz]

Dare I suggest another example of privatisation and feeding shareholders dividends ? Neglecting infrastructure at the expense of feeding shareholders....East Coast rail would suggest more than a grain of truth in my theory.

Channa

Without doubt for the last 30 years nearly.

 

[Tim120]

I'm SO pleased the water companies are not looking after our gas supplies. :scared:

 

[harrow]

I'm SO pleased the water companies are not looking after our gas supplies. :scared:

Not not the water companies but from Russia, might have Novichok in it :scared:

 

[Pauljenny]

Does anyone know how long a flexible pipe that can be connected to a tap , must be, to qualify as a hosepipe?
Or how short it must be, not to be classed as a hosepipe?
I think we should be told.

 

[Nabsim]

So if you go on a campsite in UU catchment area you can legitimately fill your onboard tanks as the campsite is a business and therefore commercial use as you are paying.

You then travel to the other end of the country and decide to use your outside shower and UU can prosecute you for breaking a hosepipe ban (shower pipe/hosepipe) in an area with no restriction because it was drawn from their reserves.

Yeah right

 

[r4dent]

When a definitive answer is not definitive.

Can I fill the water tanks on my motor home with my hosepipe?
The answer is "YES" & "NO".

This morning United Utilities answer was "No. The ban includes filling a container by means of a hosepipe with water supplied by the company." :mad2:

This afernoon their answer is "You can fill up your internal water tanks using a hosepipe at home or on a campsite provided that this water is for domestic use i.e. washing, cooking and flushing toilets. The hosepipe ban does not allow owners to wash the motorhome itself using a hosepipe."

For once it looks like everybody is right. :cheers: