North Norfolk NOT for Motorhomes

channa said:
I note travellers get the blame yet again without lifting a finger...the threat subsides 7th September apparently
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You perhaps haven’t read my post #16 Andrew. As I mentioned the Police were absolutely useless at trying to ease the situation and there was a big enquiry afterwards because the local traders do just not feel safe. They did not deserve to have their pubs and shops trashed. Confidence in the law enforcers is at an all time low and the Council do not have any option but to keep the trouble makers away. It’s a shame that innocent holidaying Motorhomers have to be excluded at the same time. I think you’ll find that fingers were lifted..... but in the form of fists!
 
trustmetours said:
Whoa, my question was genuine and aimed at a member who is, IMHO genuinely balanced and objective.

We are currently on a CL near Seaton in Devon with friends. £20 on the bus for the 4 of us and about £60 for lunchtime drinks which we are happy to spend.

Dinner in tonite as I drink Lidl lager and tomorrow night as a treat we are eating out in the local pub.

If it’s just me and my lovely wife we eat in, drink in etc probably 9 out of 10 nights so we fully embrace the ‘keep it sensibly cheap’ ethic.
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Can I just point out i am not a horse so please lose the WHOA , you do seem to have this unique talent for annoying members me included.
 
We was there about 6 weeks ago and we had the same problem with height barriers and signs saying No Overnight Parking, So we ended up Urban parking, this is what is going to happen, now they have driven us away from laybys and car parks. :confused::(
 
All barriers do is move the problem, a lot of people who don’t want to use camp sites for whatever reason will not use them. It makes sense to me that a car park that sits empty all night would be better served allowing overnight stops or a small fee. Who am I though...
 
There are around 50000 people in travellers communities and 255000 motorhomes, with only only a few persistent offenders in each group. Isn’t there a precedent in English law going back to the 19thC to the effect that a group as a whole may not be punished for the actions of a few. Councils seem to have forgotten this and taken the easy way out of punishing everybody.
 
There are hundreds possibly thousands of places in Scotland were travellers could move in and very rarely do. To me the so called traveller problem is exaggerated and used as an excuse by councils to ban us from their carparks. Do the type of travellers mentioned in this thread that behaved poorly in Cromer respect signs saying no overnight parking. No they don’t. The only folk who do are the very people who respect those signs and abide by them. Not the people who probably instigated the signs being put up in the first place. All such signs do is to prevent the better amongst us from parking whilst the ones who created their need, continue to park, leading eventually to barriers.
 
QFour said:
We looked on the Internet yesterday and the Beach Car Park at Wells was open for Mhs so off we went. Arrived to find a barrier across so consulted with the attendants. Full of apologies and gave us the phone number and Email for the Estate Operations Manager. SWMBO exchanged several emails with him but they said that they were closed to high vehicles due to the HIGH Threat from Traveler's arriving. So they are closed until 7th September. Funny that as Cromer Hill Top car park and Sherringham are now open.
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The Wells car park is owned by Holkham Estate - the ones in Cromer and Sheringham are North Norfolk Council
 
Toffeecat said:
Ive made the decision after thinking whats happening in Wales Scotland and other places to avoid wildcamping for now. It was a tough choice as i really dont like "official" big corp campsites although the missus dose. Therefore when im in Norfolk doing some wildlife stuff Ive booked onto farm sites. Cheaper than big ones and its a compromise and gives the farmer a few £££, They are ok ill use local shops and maybe a walk to a pub and i like them. Wildings better but i made a personal choice. Shame as i love wilding but for now im waiting to see how things pan out. That said theres loads of much more experienced folk on here much better at finding places than me. Worry is if the idiots keep throwing sh*t eveywhere we get blamed and things never get back to normal. Then again, the POI's a godsend for folk like me, great spots where i can keep a low profile do what i enjoy and do some wilding. But for now its farm sites for me. Good to hear stories from folk still getting out and about and not having any grief. Shows it can still be done. Then again if everyone was like the good folk on here there wouldnt be a problem.
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Wilding in Norfolk is frowned upon but is very hard to police - places like Thetford in particular - the rave that happened last weekend where thousands turned up was a long way off the nearest road and only the sound gave it away; it was easy to hit hundreds of cars etc. Local councils do though have people on the look out now for 'Wild campers/parking'
 
barge1914 said:
There are around 50000 people in travellers communities and 255000 motorhomes, with only only a few persistent offenders in each group. Isn’t there a precedent in English law going back to the 19thC to the effect that a group as a whole may not be punished for the actions of a few. Councils seem to have forgotten this and taken the easy way out of punishing everybody.
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Trouble is travellers in Norfolk always seem to cause problems. Cromer was the prime example where it affected the whole town when 2 particular families brought all their friends and had an argument which cause the town to go into a major lock down. There are several traveller sites around but these are always in a mess and just look as you drive around North Norfolk at any field entrances often you find farmers leaving old machinery blocking them or very large concrete blocks. They used to dig ditches across them and pile up banks but then the travellers came along with mini diggers and made a way in. I know one farmer quite well who had this happen - he was incensed that they made camp on his land so he hooked up his slurry wagon on back of his tractor and early one morning simply drove through their encampment and around it spraying slurry everywhere and left before the travellers knew what was going on - oddly they left that day!!!!
 
Norfolk Jim said:
The Wells car park is owned by Holkham Estate - the ones in Cromer and Sheringham are North Norfolk Council
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The Holkham Estate Office said the risk from Travellers according to their information was HIGH. This information evidently came from the Police. It thats the case then why were the Car Parks in Sherringham and Cromer Cliff Top open. Surly they get their information from the same source as they are all in the same County.

We did find a couple of Motorhome friendly carparks but now I have to ask Cromer District Council how they can charge you £7 for a 24 hour ticket that runs from 13.00 to 23.59 on the same day and from 18.00 it is FREE to Park. That should be an interesting exchange of emails.
 
QFour said:
The Holkham Estate Office said the risk from Travellers according to their information was HIGH. This information evidently came from the Police. It thats the case then why were the Car Parks in Sherringham and Cromer Cliff Top open. Surly they get their information from the same source as they are all in the same County.

We did find a couple of Motorhome friendly carparks but now I have to ask Cromer District Council how they can charge you £7 for a 24 hour ticket that runs from 13.00 to 23.59 on the same day and from 18.00 it is FREE to Park. That should be an interesting exchange of emails.
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Not necessarily - this is Norfolk remember. Holkham may get info through employees! Won't be first time........

It will still be North Norfolk District Council (based in Cromer) who you'd need to ask about not being 24hrs - they may answer you in a few weeks or so and then you won't get an answer!

I deal with them often and they can't organise a p**s up in a brewery at the bets of times. I asked why when submitting a planning application they take 4 weeks to acknowledge it and then ask for a 6 months extension of time to determine due to staff resources being low when other Norfolk councils can actually approve applications in even as little as 4 weeks. Last time they requested an extension I said no and they tried their hardest to delay a decision till I threatened them with central government for incompetence!! So don't hold your breath on any kind of reply even this year!!! They are too busy stopping people parking their motorhomes around the coast!
 
I'm Mrs QFour, it's me that the Holkham Estates office has been emailing. The Estates Manager wrote that they had police information saying there was a high risk of traveller activity, however today I've had another email confirming that their car parks are now barrier free.

My main complaint with Holkham estates, is the incorrect information on their website. I checked the website and it said the barriers would be open, yet when we arrived to park they were closed. I complained to estates but my complaint was effectively ignored. Instead the manager went on at length about the perceived threat from the traveller community. We understand this is an issue but it's no excuse for not keeping the website up to date.

We are now at home, so we won't be visiting Wells any time soon. To be honest the whole situation has put me off Wells.
 
Sad thing is the troublesome travellers will just cut the locks and go in anyhow so the council and community lose anyhow.
 
Nabsim said:
All barriers do is move the problem, a lot of people who don’t want to use camp sites for whatever reason will not use them. It makes sense to me that a car park that sits empty all night would be better served allowing overnight stops or a small fee. Who am I though...
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you, are telling use the problem we all have, they are over price, over here, councils finger out, and make some money, empty sites, mean no money, oh it is our
fault ,when. when they make it rite, ok,pj.
 
QFour said:
it looks like they don't want Mhs here anymore. Main car park in Cromer has a height barrier, Cliff car park has one, Wells Next the Sea beach car park has one as do all the other car parks in Wells. Favorite place to Wildcamp has No Overnight vehicle occupation sign, National Trust have now added a small secondary sign No Camping or Overnight Parking. Found a nice spot yesterday £8 for 24h about a mile from a village but No Overnight Parking which does not make sense. Found some App or Cash but if you pay by an App its either 20P OR 50P extra.

If you ask why the barriers are in place you get the same reply. Heightened likelihood of Traveller's in the area. The girl in the Filling Station in Cromer was quite blunt. We don't want Mhs. It about time they realise that we spend money and there are thousands of us on the roads.
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What height is the Limbo bar in Cromer, is it the std 6ft 6in ?
 
2cv said:
Or possibly means that they spend their money in other areas altogether.
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oh it dose , you are not in it. pull your head out of you back-side. why because, if they dont be have, i dont spend in your area ,or any other with your problem, no
i do not want the same as you. my head is all ready out, and not going back, is the thing so ad-ee oss. should you live near the sea, get your head out of the sand
ok pj end of story.
 
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