National Trust *may* start reopening

Asterix said:
50 pages!!!! Is the plan to put the population to sleep until further notice?
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Well it's hopefully a lot more information than they've managed to give us all over the last 3 months or so! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:😂😂😂😉

It's got to be a step in the right direction at clearing up any confusion, no? Maybe not ... just have to wait and see as usual 🤔😉 🙃
 
mariesnowgoose said:
Well it's hopefully a lot more information than they've managed to give us all over the last 3 months or so! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:😂😂😂😉

It's got to be a step in the right direction at clearing up any confusion, no? Maybe not ... just have to wait and see as usual 🤔😉 🙃
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Short and to the point is the only way it gets my attention.
 
Raab has slightly retracted / changed his earlier statement about meeting 'people' ( which I think infers plural and assumes from second, but same household) and BBC now reporting: (NB I don't think much of BBC reporting these days but as its the main source Brits check their news lets just go with it for now)

"Asked about that advice on BBC Breakfast on Monday, Mr Raab said: "So we've said that as long as you go out of home, for the park, for exercise, whatever it may be, you can go with members of your own household.

"If you're out in the park and you're 2m apart... and use some common sense and you socially-distance, you can meet up with other people."

Asked if someone could meet more than two people at different times, for example their mother in the morning and father in the afternoon, Mr Raab said: "Outside in the outdoors, staying 2m apart, yes."

However, the UK government put out a clarification saying people can only meet one person outside at a time - not two people, such as both parents, at the same time.

It comes after Mr Raab incorrectly told the Today programme that someone could meet both their parents at the same time "if there's 2m apart".

To me the bit about your mum in the morning and dad in the afternoon / one person rule is a bit of a bonkers flawed statement if we assume your parents live together!
 
Wisewoman said:
Raab has slightly retracted / changed his earlier statement about meeting 'people' ( which I think infers plural and assumes from second, but same household) and BBC now reporting: (NB I don't think much of BBC reporting these days but as its the main source Brits check their news lets just go with it for now)

"Asked about that advice on BBC Breakfast on Monday, Mr Raab said: "So we've said that as long as you go out of home, for the park, for exercise, whatever it may be, you can go with members of your own household.

"If you're out in the park and you're 2m apart... and use some common sense and you socially-distance, you can meet up with other people."

Asked if someone could meet more than two people at different times, for example their mother in the morning and father in the afternoon, Mr Raab said: "Outside in the outdoors, staying 2m apart, yes."

However, the UK government put out a clarification saying people can only meet one person outside at a time - not two people, such as both parents, at the same time.

It comes after Mr Raab incorrectly told the Today programme that someone could meet both their parents at the same time "if there's 2m apart".

To me the bit about your mum in the morning and dad in the afternoon / one person rule is a bit of a bonkers flawed statement if we assume your parents live together!
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Says it all, imo.

Nothing has changed as far as I'm concerned. Until they get their act together and stop putting out contradictory and confusing messages I am sticking with using my own common sense and judgement.

You would think they could at least get their story coordinated and all sing from the same hymn sheet at the very least.
Doesn't exactly inspire much confidence in how they are continuing to handle this situation, imho.

PS. whatever individual opinions are about the media, you can't really argue with something that is stated up front and in bold from a government representative that is then contradicted by another government source a little later.

Sorry, but whichever way you look at it how can it be anything other than confusing to those of us trying to obey the rules and make sense of the way forward?
 
Here's another good Raab comment - you can imagine the furore this is causing!: :)

" "You can drive as far as you want to, for example, to go and walk in a particular area that you are fond of, as long as you maintain the social distancing."
 
It was also clarified by a mInister yesterday that you can drive somewhere outdoors with your household members as long as you maintain social distance from others and you're back home the same day. So basically, people can start going out for the day with the kids. I think this must be very very welcome news for all those with bored and restless young families.
 
Pretty sure most who live in a town/city or any densely populated area are just laughing at the guidelines and the questions that follow. They are meaningless to us

Walking to my local shops, I probably have a round trip of about 1600 metres, I will pass at less than 2 metres and many less than 1 metre, at least 200 people.

While many of the larger shops have put 2 metre distance markers for people to queue (and people stick to these) the whole pavement is about 2 metres wide, so while queueing people will be passing both ways on the pavement, so 3 people abreast on a 2 metre pavement.

Strange thing is, I’ve rarely seen locals so polite and happy, trying to keep as much distance as possible, a sorry if they’ve unwittingly come to close, it’s almost a pleasure being out. :)
 
Shambolic springs to mind
Wisewoman said:
Here's another good Raab comment - you can imagine the furore this is causing!: :)

" "You can drive as far as you want to, for example, to go and walk in a particular area that you are fond of, as long as you maintain the social distancing."
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But you have to go back home the same day, according to the new rules, so no overnighting for now.
And only in England! :)
 
The document is out and here's the relevant info to us as far as travelling and mixing with others goes

"People may exercise outside as many times each day as they wish. For example, this would include angling and tennis. You will still not be able to use areas like playgrounds, outdoor gyms or ticketed outdoor leisure venues, where there is a higher risk of close contact and touching surfaces.

You can only exercise with up to one person from outside your household – this means you should not play team sports, except with members of your own household.

People may drive to outdoor open spaces irrespective of distance, so long as they respect social distancing guidance while they are there, because this does not involve contact with people outside your household.

When travelling to outdoor spaces, it is important that people respect the rules in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and do not travel to different parts of the UK where it would be inconsistent with guidance or regulations issued by the relevant devolved administration.

These measures may come with some risk; it is important that everyone continues to act responsibly, as the large majority have done to date. The infection rate will increase if people begin to break these rules and, for example, mix in groups in parks, which will trigger the need for further restrictions."

The doc also says this about over 70s / in vulnerable category:

"Protecting the clinically vulnerable
It remains the case that some people are more clinically vulnerable to COVID-19 than others. These include those aged over 70, those with specific chronic pre-existing conditions and pregnant women.26 These clinically vulnerable people should continue to take particular care to minimise contact with others outside their households, but do not need to be shielded"
 
wildebus said:
That reminds me of a sign I saw in the changing rooms of the London Stock Exchange (obviously a very posh place until the 'Big Bang' of the 80's) ... "Members Only". I did wonder if there was a Ladies changing room as well :D (then again, probably no Lady members of the LSE back then?)
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and that reminds of one that I saw at Southport Flower Show.
"Gentlemen - Exhibitors Only"
 
Scotia said:
Is dogging allowed? Asking for a friend.
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Was it your 'friend' trying to oggle me in my van in that car park near Northumberlandia!! (Clearly a dogging site but I just shut curtains and went to sleep) :ROFLMAO: - (of course I was too scared to go outside for a wee / put any lights on and had to with-hold in the dark until they and two other vehicles had gone!)
 
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