moderation poll

Should Phil ban the members that keep starting arguments or abusing other members?

  • Yes

    Votes: 288 91.4%
  • No

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Total voters
    315
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Banning

I would suggest do not ban unless the person becomes obviously aggressive , it is so easy to ignore the aggressor as you would in everyday life (walk on the other side) basically take no notice of them!
 
After 27 pages of replies to this thread ive forgotten the question and am losing the will to live , ive just got back from a great weekend of "Wild Camping" and two of the places i tried to camp in the signs say "no overnighting" with threats of fines if you do. It would be great if there were updates to the POI database, i love to go go wild camping whenever i get the chance and there must be so many people who visit this site who would love to read more about your tales and experiences. I do not hold the answer to the this websites problems and do not wish punishment on anyone who has an opinion on a current political issue but if they could write to the Daily Mail instead, it might make this site a little more friendly.Lastly i blame myself for not contributing as much as i could have. Thank you Phil for asking my opinion.

Hi Bayleaf the POIs can only be kept up to date by the members so if you know of some with restrictions please post it and canalsman will update the POIs.
Many members post their experiences so it's worth looking in regularly.

Thanks for posting.
 
For me ,i have just started to use this forum again,i would just prefer to use the forum for how it is intended and to ignore the tiffs and bickering.I dont believe in bannings also so perhaps all relevent threads that do turn aggesive and handbaggy should automatically be sent to the tiffs forum where it can be carried on to leave us in peace or for us to drop in on for the entertainment value :hammer:
 
Like everyone else,
I received Phil's message yesterday, and would like to thank him for bothering. Only ever had one PM, or whatever it's called before, so it was a bit of a novelty.:D

I can see his problem, but cannot see any neat solution, I regret to say.
There's always conflict in life, but, generally, folk of like mind find their suitable niche, and just like in the bar, little groups develop and do their own thing without, hopefully, impinging on others who enjoy doing theirs in the same locale.

Well, I'm back from the pub now, and hadn't realised that there was going to be a debate about the poll, as well as the poll.:rolleyes2:;)
If it helps to clear the air, then I think it will have done some good. However, as one wag on another forum pointed out: birds of a feather flock together and then proceed to crap on your car! ;)

My horse came second AGAIN today ( that's the third time now) so I'm quite aware that things don't always go the way we want.:sad:

Anyway, I'm not voting at all myself, for three main reasons:

a) I've never banned anybody in my life and I've no urge to start now.

b) I think it's up to the Leader of the Pack - Phil, in this case - to have whoever he wants in this group. As I've said right from day one, it's entirely up to himself, imo, and that's that.

c) how can we - any of us - vote to ban persons unknown? :raofl:
I'm not party to all these here complaints that have been lodged, and am completely in the dark as to whom we are all chatting about. Until we know who's in the dock, it seems a bit silly to be discussing sentencing, imo.

Obviously, as a gambler, I can hazzard a pretty good guess as to the identity of the main players , and, if it helps to clarify matters, I can tell all that I, myself, have NOT received any warning ( yet) either public or in private about matters on this forum.

I have noted, however, Phil having to step into forum threads at least twice to ask folk to "be careful". Anyone who's bothered enough can probably find it all in the archives, I suppose.
:egg:

OK, that's enough for now from me, and just in case 'tis myself that gets the chop, I'll take this opportunity to say toodlepip and thanks for an interesting forum.:goodluck:

( It's called hedging your bets). :p


"

On a warm summer's eve
On a train bound for nowhere
I met up with the gambler
We were both too tired to sleep
So we took turns a-starin'
Out the window at the darkness
The boredom overtook us, and he began to speak

He said, "Son, I've made my life
Out of readin' people's faces
Knowin' what the cards were
By the way they held their eyes
So if you don't mind my sayin'
I can see you're out of aces
For a taste of your whiskey
I'll give you some advice"

So I handed him my bottle
And he drank down my last swallow
Then he bummed a cigarette
And asked me for a light
And the night got deathly quiet
And his faced lost all expression
He said, "If you're gonna play the game, boy
You gotta learn to play it right

You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
Know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done

Now every gambler knows the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away
And knowin' what to keep
'Cause every hand's a winner
And every hand's a loser
And the best that you can hope for
Is to die in your sleep"

So when he finished speakin'
He turned back for the window
Crushed out his cigarette
And faded off to sleep then somewhere in the darkness
The gambler he broke even,
but in his final words
I found an ace that I could keep

You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done

You've got to know when to hold 'em
(When to hold 'em)
Know when to fold 'em
(When to fold 'em)
Know when to walk away
know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done

You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done. "



sean rua.

" Ignorance is treatable; Arrogance is terminal."
 
I welcome all members whether they be free or otherwise but it is not the norm to allow non-members to vote on such important policy.

I am a free member at the moment having only recently found the Wild Camping site and so far have only looked in to see how things work here. From what Ive seen I think it looks a really nice informative site with some interesting craic and when i think of something worth contributing I will. I was a bit confused by Boppers comment though - I was emailed to vote by Phil as no doubt were all other free members, it is his site and so cant see where this is coming from. Think the 3 strikes is perhaps a good idea, you dont want to stifle contributions, but do need to keep a rein on things if they get too offensive.
 

Oldtech

PS I just looked at the current poll results .... it looks like I've backed the loser .... ha ha !

But I promise , I will abide by the majority decision .... my dummy will stay firmly in my mouth
..... and the toys will remain in my pram ..... and if certain other members think I am referring to them
with this comment ...... well , possibly I am !!!

I've backed the loser too. But no probs, it's interesting to see how everyone thinks and I wouldn't object to a warning then a week then a month then a permanent ban system because it gives people the chance to modify their style if they wish to continue.

You Tube has a system whereby if you go a year without trouble after a warning then that warning drops off your record similar to the driving licence points system.
 
Does this thread hold the honour of highest number of views EVER, yet???
 
I just home very tired. five more pages of comments but i'll read them tomorrow when I can absorb the content.

The passion for this forum has been amply displayed by the positive contributions, I haven't a clue about the members who have causes all this upset though I do know this is not the only forum having that sort of occasional trouble.

It's all had a positive effect on me to the extent i'm even considering forking out the annual fee to be a full member. I was, and still am dead-against paying forums.

You're a good crowd, I doubt the detractors and snipers are going to have much effect after this huge rant is over. Maybe 50 pages by the look of it.

Ok Phil, i'll have £15 worth. Unless it's gone up with everything else. (Smile)

Here we go, a little something for ass-holes who caused all this.


Don't put pics like this up without forewarning please - just given this old lady a hot flush !!!

;-)

:tongue:
 
Does this thread hold the honour of highest number of views EVER, yet???

I think not.

Probably the one where canalsman announced that free POI's were now available.

I didn't know we had so many members until then.

That will probably be the last time some members posted. :lol-061:
 
Abusive behaviour

Can't say I have noticed the threads or been subjected to them but it's pretty standard for abusive behaviour to be sanctioned on forums. Every one knows where the boundaries “should” be and if they are overstepping then they should expect to be banned if they continue after a warning.

Of course people should be allowed to express their opinions, this is one of the great things the internet has given us, but it can be abused and it’s no more acceptable on the web than it is face to face.

One slightly less confrontational solution can be to simply remove the posts. Most people wouldn’t bother sending something if they know it is simply going to be deleted. I don’t know if it’s an option with the current set-up but if offenders could have restrictions placed on their account where their posts had to be checked before going live this will help.

Anyway that’s my thoughts on the matter.
 
... ive just got back from a great weekend of "Wild Camping" and two of the places i tried to camp in the signs say "no overnighting" with threats of fines if you do. It would be great if there were updates to the POI database

Unless people advise which spots are no longer suitable, they will remain on the database ...

Please can you tell me where these places were?

The database is reissued monthly during most of the year and incorporates additions, updates and removals.

Regards

Chris
 
So why did you post a photo of a man??

It's a long story, i'll shorten it. The photo was taken in South Africa, all the blokes you see in the photo (Non of whom are gay) are kitesurfers, the bloke showing his bum was team rider for a particular brand and I had been criticising the brand reputation for quality and pointed out that team riders are in it for the products they either don't pay for or get for free. I was taking a photo of Table Mountain in the background and this scene evolved in front of me.

My sense of humour being what it is meant I couldn't resist.

Sorry, no ladies bums. I don't know any ladies who would be happy I took a photo of them changing, i'm 70 this year and most of my pals/acquaintances in the sport are half my age. Don't want the title of a mucky-bloke do I. (Smile)
 
I believe that repeat offenders or someone who has been grossly offensive first time should be banned. Of course you cannot prevent them re-appearing as someone else but as the Poll is asking if you should ban people who keep abusing others, then yes you should ban them IMO.

Far better lose them than lose others who feel intimidated or abused.

good luck

great forum

K ;)
 
Of course you cannot prevent them re-appearing as someone else

Oh-yes, you then get this awful situation where some members have multiple log-ins so they don't have to be responsible for their behaviour. I have belonged to one other forum for eight years. The solution to the problem has always been to ignore them but mostly support by most members, regardless of the issues, when a dodgy log-in is suspected.

Also, in this case the forum admin seem to have found a way of identifying a connection between culprits.

I'm a full member now, >>>>>>>>>:wave:<<<<<<< all because of the camaraderie shown by this thread. Very impressive.
 
At the risk of starting an argument, isn't this a bit condescending? I have a university degree but I have no idea what to do if the engine of my motorhome doesn't start - should I feel ashamed or should I feel grateful that others have the skills I lack?
 
Abuse is unacceptable in any form. It only takes a second to re-read what you have written and amend it to be polite whilst still indicating a difference of opinion. How difficult is it to say "I have to disagree", or "try to look at it from someone else's perspective" or whatever phrase may be needed?
 
TBH I haven't noticed anything malicious, but I am not on here every day or even every week.
In principal we should always remember that sometimes typed conversations are misinterpreted or not as intended ......understanding people is easier face to face when we have tone of voice facial expression and body language to help us.
Some people are also more sensitive and others manner is direct and full of banter
However, if this is something that is not only causing offence but bringing the club/website into disrepute then I feel action has to be taken. I say this with the experience of another group where things got so bad that legal advice had to be sought, people had to be removed from committees and all sorts of action taken - dont let it get to that stage - its just not worth the hassle, and it just undermines the credibility of the club.
I hope thats a fair comment and objective view.
 
should I feel ashamed or should I feel grateful that others have the skills I lack?

Pheeweeeeee, this is whole new subject that could start a massive row if contributors don't make an effort to understand they may be misunderstood. One of life's irritants to me is the person with massive skills in an area that enjoys reducing others who don't have those skills without appreciating the skills they do have.

You still with me ?

I have a dear friend who is a university lecturer, an academic who can't even hold a hammer correctly, we compliment each other for our skills and often self-deprecate about our lack of skills so the relationship works. On the other hand I have an acquaintance who holds himself above just about everyone because of his success in business without even noticing other peoples attributes and skills.
 
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