Seahorse
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I have read no criticism of the lorry driver that wandered on to the hard shoulder and hit them!!!! Funny old world!
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mark61
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Yes, Brittany is a lovely place and a lovely place to drive. I didn't just mention France though, and was not singling out French drivers. I'm referring to an area of Northern Europe, roughly strike a line from Dieppe to Frankfurt, then North to Hamburg and back to the North Sea. Yes a very densely populated area, same as the UK.
I have driven through this area many times, both due East and North to Denmark.
Now if I was to generalise and single out a nation of awful driving habits, I'd single out the Germans, quite surprisingly. A mixture of dumbed down "speed aware" drivers and those that can't live with a speed restricted motorway really don't mix very well, especially when the road is congested.
Where UK drivers are clearly the worst at is middle lane hogging, but now they are getting more 3+ lane motorways in Europe, they too are catching on.
I have driven through this area many times, both due East and North to Denmark.
Now if I was to generalise and single out a nation of awful driving habits, I'd single out the Germans, quite surprisingly. A mixture of dumbed down "speed aware" drivers and those that can't live with a speed restricted motorway really don't mix very well, especially when the road is congested.
Where UK drivers are clearly the worst at is middle lane hogging, but now they are getting more 3+ lane motorways in Europe, they too are catching on.
Toonman
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Why is it that every topic that mentions dogs you have to post a derogatory message about them. We have got the message now that you are against dogs but don't spoil it for those of us who do like dogs.
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I didn’t take from what he was writing that he was complaining about dogs par say, I think we would all agree that there are some very irresponsible dog owners, and some people who cant say no to yet another dog, but this tread was about the crash, more of concern to all of use should be the way their MH turned into kindling, and the advice from others about never staying inside one on the hard shoulder hopefully is well and truly learnt.
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you cannot expect people to restrain there dogs in cars can you, after all how many parents do you see with kids and more so babies unrestrained in cars . the police seem to turn a blind eye many times ,it is an offense that should be punished with a driving ban as with drink drive a massive fine and risk of the children taken into care,or put on the child at risk register basically for endangering a child's life .
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What makes me mad is when people leave the car running with dogs and children free roaming, while they nip in the shop. I sometimes wonder if when some people breed they lose all their commonsense.
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yes you cannot think how irresponsible some people are ,also that is another illegal practice ,leaving a motor vehicle unattended whilst leaving the engine running ,is called quitting and punishable by a fine, even if the car is not running the car can catch fire with the kids in. madness
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Yes insensitive. We are talking about the person who responded to someones pet being ill by basically saying shoot it.
Priorities don't come into it. Nobody is suggesting pets take priority over humans.
Priorities don't come into it. Nobody is suggesting pets take priority over humans.
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yes tired drivers can be big prob on main land,if no people injured or worse cars fans etc an be replaced.
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The important thing without doubt is hopefully the message will get across to all MH’s Caravans, etc new and long suffering, leave the van if it brakes down.
As we get older we have less life to use, let’s not lose what little we have left by carelessness.
As we get older we have less life to use, let’s not lose what little we have left by carelessness.
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wind you nec in its only a forum,do you take all things here so serious,you would not last 5 mins here even in a school plyground,now i like anamals im going round now to kis my nabours pussy.
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This thread is about the crash, please don't keep taking it off topic into personal rants about whether or not you like dogs and restraining children in cars.
The crash happened because the lorry driver wasn't paying attention.
Let's not forget that, before we start blaming the RAC for taking 3 hours to get there, the vehicle occupants for having too many dogs, breaking down in the first place or not getting away from the vehicle.
Also, the human occupants were not alright - the last I heard although the 2 in the front are OK the third, who presumably was in the rear at the time of the crash, was still in intensive care.
The crash happened because the lorry driver wasn't paying attention.
Let's not forget that, before we start blaming the RAC for taking 3 hours to get there, the vehicle occupants for having too many dogs, breaking down in the first place or not getting away from the vehicle.
Also, the human occupants were not alright - the last I heard although the 2 in the front are OK the third, who presumably was in the rear at the time of the crash, was still in intensive care.
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when there are injuries ,or fatalities the offending driver gets arrested for the accident .no one ever arrests the company transport manager for contributing to the accident .you may ask why should the transport manager/company manager be arrested ,mainly because they give the drivers so much work and strict timetables to work to, contributing to tiredness through overwork .i used to be a drivers mate for super drug and the work schedule they expected the drivers to follow was nigh on impossible without taking risks
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we are only following normal discussion habits its not really straying from the accident theme and causes /prevention of injuries , also nobody is ranting ,well i dont think so
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yes your right im off for a damd good spanking now soooooooooooooooooooooo sorry
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yes your right ,i worked for a motor co had to drive round dealers with parts,300 mls a day,if not back in time got roliking
they did not care about snow rain crashes terrorist bombs etc just do job or well get somone else.
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I don't use motorways.
Asto
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Nor would I if I had time to meander about, BUT !
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I had to stop on a motorway hard should once because the spark plugs had oiled up, before I had managed to put a clean set in, I had a highway truck and police car stop to offer assistance. Once I had changed them, I was escorted to the next exit. I wonder if I had not been in the vintage car plus caravan would I have been treated differently?
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Assuming all the hearsay is true, I would have been in and out of my van a few times to make a brew, thats for sure. I don't care how bloody dangerous a blooming hard shoulder is, or is meant to be.
Fortunate enough to have only broken down once on a motorway, think I had to wait about 90 mins for RAC, but highway agency called by within about 30 mins of me breaking down, even gave me a pat on the back for not only wearing a hi viz, I had also put out me triangle and amber flashing torch. Yes, I was sitting way up on the bank.
Three hours during the night, apparently left by the RAC. Thats not right at all. Even if they refused to recover them, the lorry should have waited there, contacted highway agency and/or police. Those three women were let down badly.
Fortunate enough to have only broken down once on a motorway, think I had to wait about 90 mins for RAC, but highway agency called by within about 30 mins of me breaking down, even gave me a pat on the back for not only wearing a hi viz, I had also put out me triangle and amber flashing torch. Yes, I was sitting way up on the bank.
Three hours during the night, apparently left by the RAC. Thats not right at all. Even if they refused to recover them, the lorry should have waited there, contacted highway agency and/or police. Those three women were let down badly.
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