Loch Lomond and Trossachs

happypete said:
We were up to Loch Lomond a few weeks ago and resorted to laybys on the western side - one or two just off the road - hopefully where truckers are not stopped when they move away in the early hours! The ban on "unofficial" camping relates to the eastern side of Loch Lomond area and is said to be patrolled!
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Please read the original link, the ban on the Eastern side is soon spread to a much larger area including the area you mention.
 
wee nippy

Aye wee nippy sweetie(Ms.Sturgeon ),will find a way of getting money oot o they English!! she canny jack up the taxes for ye, she'll get ye anither way, welcome to Scotland the highest taxed place in the UK. (tin helmet now on !!):mad2:
 
Just had a look at the web page , several contradictions for instance one page says arrive 1pm till 11am next day , if you look at terms and conditions it states your permit is for 7pm till 7am. Who's going to leave at 7am, or pay £3 for no toilets or drinking water, water is the least they could provide.
 
Can anyone just allow motorhome overnighting?

I thought the 1960 Caravan Act prevented it.
 
Fake News

jake said:
Aye wee nippy sweetie(Ms.Sturgeon ),will find a way of getting money oot o they English!! she canny jack up the taxes for ye, she'll get ye anither way, welcome to Scotland the highest taxed place in the UK. (tin helmet now on !!):mad2:
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Ok Jake, I've only just joined and I really didn't want to start off by having an argument with anybody but by the same token it's hard to let what you've just posted go unchallenged because by doing so it allows it a credibility that is unwarranted. I will start with "tin helmet on". If you choose to be rude about someone then you can hardly complain if you get the same back in return.
"Wee nippy sweety" is just name calling.
"Getting money out o they English" Remind me who sets the local regulations and charges? That would be the Local Authority, not the Scottish Government and on what basis do you justify implying that it only being applied to "they English" and not everybody else. Your implication is that the Scottish Government is anti-English. I would be interested to hear any evidence that you have to back up that claim.
"Highest taxed place in the UK" Ok, I will concede that but it needs to be put into the context that all the Scottish Government did was to decline to reduce (as is happening in Westminster) the higher rate tax threshold, at a time when a lot of families are struggling to make ends meet. At no time and in no way have they put taxes up.
The one area we do agree on though is "Welcome to Scotland" Please, regardless of where you come from, and especially if you are English, a warm welcome awaits you! Don't be put off by Fake News!
 
Straad said:
Ok Jake, I've only just joined and I really didn't want to start off by having an argument with anybody but by the same token it's hard to let what you've just posted go unchallenged because by doing so it allows it a credibility that is unwarranted. I will start with "tin helmet on". If you choose to be rude about someone then you can hardly complain if you get the same back in return.
"Wee nippy sweety" is just name calling.
"Getting money out o they English" Remind me who sets the local regulations and charges? That would be the Local Authority, not the Scottish Government and on what basis do you justify implying that it only being applied to "they English" and not everybody else. Your implication is that the Scottish Government is anti-English. I would be interested to hear any evidence that you have to back up that claim.
"Highest taxed place in the UK" Ok, I will concede that but it needs to be put into the context that all the Scottish Government did was to decline to reduce (as is happening in Westminster) the higher rate tax threshold, at a time when a lot of families are struggling to make ends meet. At no time and in no way have they put taxes up.
The one area we do agree on though is "Welcome to Scotland" Please, regardless of where you come from, and especially if you are English, a warm welcome awaits you! Don't be put off by Fake News!
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I'm very happy with my 100% business rates discount . Basically means I pay less taxes in Scotland
 
Steveboy said:
Several years ago my wife & I arrived at Rowardennan ready to hike Ben Lomond. It was a Monday morning and the place looked as though a huge refugee camp had just been cleared. Tents, litter, unmentionables everywhere. Turns out the 'Neds' (Glaswegians of a 'certain' nature) had taken over the place during the weekend. I think it was the year following when free-camping of any sort was banned on the East side of the Loch.
So rest assured it is neither Tuggers or Motorhomers who are to blame.
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Their are Neds from all over,it is not a name for Glaswegian`s only.
 
runnach said:
I can't speak for all, but I reckon many of us never replied as post was tongue in cheek and, more importantly, waaaaaaaaaaaaay off, topic. There is another thread for such tax things Scottishness.

Oh, and welcome to la la land :cool:
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Not sure if there is ?

Oops misread your post
 
hotrats said:
Looser cruiser said:
I stay near loch lomand. I take a trip up tae glesga once a month get pissed and make as much mess as I can it's c
alled carma 😀[/QUOTE
And when yir on holiday and spew up you pretend yir fae Glesga:blah:[/QUOTE.
Have a🍺 Chill I'm from Glasgow and I have visited some really nice places spewed in most of them with a really strong glesga hhhuuuggggeeee but I put my hands up if I get caught I pretend I'm fae paisley.
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Anyway back to the topic at hand, the wife and I did a reconnoiter of one of the affected areas this weekend, Aberfoyle and surrounding lochs. There are now signs up stating that you are entering the camping management zone, we looked at the dedicated areas for Motorhomes where we could, as the forest drive road is closed till the 1st March, and for the most part I don't see much to worry about, ok it will cost £3 per night, and as far as I can see only one has a water tap, but given the investment recently including benches with BBQ, new marked walks etc, that isn't asking to much.

We stayed at a picnic area at the entrance to the forest drive and apart us we saw only two cars, and they only stayed for a few minutes and then left. We counted about 15 individual dedicated camping bays solely for Motorhome's situated in some very beautiful and remote wild places. If camping in the actual forest you wouldn't be bothered by anyone else as the gates are locked at night.

I did look at car parking in the forest and at the loch side that didn't allow overnight stays and would suggest that if all the available pitches have been booked, then pressure is put on the park to make better use of that provision. In any case what the park are offering is wild camping, or as close as you can get in a Motorhome and is that not what we are looking for!

Camping | Things to do | - Loch Lomond & The Trossachs National Park
 
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2cv said:
That makes very interesting reading. Wild camping (or parking) in Scotland could well become a thing of the past in time. Amazing how these things can get out of hand and spread.
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Ahh, but I read it as ... there aint nothing to stop you from parking up as long as you stay on the public roads network! ... after all, that's why we pay bloody road tax, if they say we cannot use miles of the public road then we should demand a refund of part of our road taxes!
 
Auld Pharrrt said:
Ahh, but I read it as ... there aint nothing to stop you from parking up as long as you stay on the public roads network! ... after all, that's why we pay bloody road tax, if they say we cannot use miles of the public road then we should demand a refund of part of our road taxes!
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I think that this was originally the case. However (though it is difficult to keep up with their plans) I think that after the change to the bylaws of February 24 the laybys and roads in the area are no longer available for overnight stops.
 
I've parked up in laybys along the loch for an overnight stop a few times when heading further north, literally arriving in the evening and leaving after breakfast. Do I now need to book or not?
 
There are signs going up all over no permit and you can receive 500 pound fine forestry commission car parks who Owens the forestry commission not the lomand trust
 
See article below taken from the current Mountaineering Scotland publication, which adds some clarity and interpretation.

Loch Lomond camping issues | Mountaineering Scotland

Interestingly it quotes, "The camping management zones and permit scheme may not apply to laybys controlled by Transport Scotland and adjacent to trunk roads, although these may be located in camping management zones."
 
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