Loch Lomond and Trossachs

[AuldTam]

Incompetence from the top maybe, But Fraud (actually that law is not known in Scotland)? are you serious? are you stating the park authorities had a "felonious" intention to deceive, but only in the specific areas no longer covered by the permit system, that's one helluva completed deception, and for so little gain! :lol-053:

And as for the park authority destroying Loch Lomond and the trossachs, I think we have reached "Maximus argumentum ad absurdum" the park are responsible for deciding over 300 planning applications per year including rejection of large developments, and this involves them facing legions of highly paid lawyers who are trying every means possible to open the park for their clients to build upon.

Instead of mad rants, that only portray the motorhome community as crabbit whingers (to mix my Scots with Proto-Germanic) wouldn't we be better served by campaigning for proper facilities? Areas for wild camping existed well before the park came into being and still do, in cases within a literal stones throw from the permitted area. Better to be inside pissing out perhaps?

So why don't we all email this to the Park https://www.wildcamping.co.uk/forum...ping-drive-tourism-boost-for-hawick-1-4497053

on info@lochlomond-trossachs.org or write to Loch Lomond & The Trossachs National Park Authority Carrochan Carrochan Road Balloch G83 8EG And argue our case, as a community, an organisation, our camping may be "Wild" no reason for our arguments to so be.

Various campaigns are already ongoing on behalf of various groups of park users and have been for some time. What has being going on since LLTNPA's inception is slowly becoming public knowledge involving,secret meetings, local landowners, board members, local councillors, clear conflicts of interest, LLTNPA employees buying buildings and land within the park for personal use, demolition of a building and a new house built on its footprint, putting up fences and barbed wire without permission. Charging people for parking on the roads network and installing unauthorized signage, ignoring foi requests, the list goes on and on.

Thankfully some campaigners/park users have legal backgrounds and are offering legal advise and whistleblowers are also passing on information. Hence why last week LLTNPA suspended all permit charges and will reimburse everyone who has bought a permit since they were introduced on 1st March 2017.

We are now back to how it was before, should anyone behave antisocially or break any other laws in the Trossachs the police will deal with them, not park rangers.

There actions trying to stop right of access and these stupid camping permits has been the catalyst that has uncovered much larger scale 'fraud'. I say fraud because I don't know the legal term in Scots law, however I'm sure every other reader recognises a fraud when they see it.

 

[antiquesam]

Incompetence from the top maybe, But Fraud (actually that law is not known in Scotland)? are you serious? are you stating the park authorities had a "felonious" intention to deceive, but only in the specific areas no longer covered by the permit system, that's one helluva completed deception, and for so little gain! :lol-053:

If I illegally demanded money from you outwith my right to that money I would be committing a fraud, the law does not allow a plea of ignorance I believe. Why is it different for the park authority?

 

[Deleted member 60834]

Not all permits are suspended, therefore they still recognise they have a right to charge, there are several cases still pending in Dumbarton court that are still ongoing, so it appears that the law stands therefore no claim for money without lawful authority has been made, where there has been dubiety the park has refunded those sums.

Regardless of any allegations of malpractice in public office by individuals, that will be dealt with by the authorities in due course. And to be honest is just a side show.

But you can't dam the whole nation parks idea just because of what a blogger with an agenda says or what you read in a paper.

My point is the park is going to be in existence for a long time after we have gone, our focus should be getting our agenda on the table. If not then we sound like silly old men who rant about the government, and when you ask them who they voted for say, they don't as it's a waste of their time!

Again it's better to be inside the tent pissing out!