Llandullas Fine's Issued

[Bigpeetee]

I believe that it might have been complaints about the bad behaviour of motorhome owners. Someone local to the area touched on this a short while ago.

Me!!

I've just met with a local councillor regards the blanket ban.#

It was a reaction to a small number of Motorhomers and Caravanners that caused the problem.

They created a mini camp at the end of the prom, having washing lines out, trailers, boats for sale and acted as if they owned the place.

The locals, quite rightly, took the hump and complained. It looked terrible. When one of the councillors approached the group, he was given a lot of abuse and was "Mooned" at by one of the women, not even a pretty sight I'm told!!

The Prohibition order is an experimental one with a maximum life of 18 months.

I'm the first person to complain about it.

When the prom is developed, there will be dedicated parking areas for fishermen.

The councillor said that overnighting, then disappearing has been a acceptable approach to motorhomes on the prom

I suggested that rather than a blanket ban, a time limit be enforced.

He was very pro the adoption of Aire type facilities and is still trying to get such facilities incorporated into the Old Colwyn prom development.

He told me that objections to the current Experimental Prohibition are really necessary to show the requirement of such a facility.

I suggest that members write to the council expressing their feelings towards the present prohibition and what the motorhome fraternity would like to see.

PLEASE, these are council employees who generally only react to well presented objections and proposals, so please don't write telling them they are a bunch of A*ses or whatever, it never works, but some well worded script does stand a chance (remember, they've had a bad experience with motorhomers, don't prove them right in the assumption that "They're all the same")

If you don't challenge them, you'll never win them over.

Please write a letter.

 

[maingate]

I don't mind emailing the Council.

Who would be the best person to contact?

 

[Canalsman]

I don't believe that the FOI information cites Llanddulas.

So I'm puzzled.

Can the OP provide more details please?

 

[Bigpeetee]

Trying to get more info on Llandulas, the problem seems to be that now that Old Colwyn has a prohibition on Motorhomes, everyone seems to have gone to Llandulas car park. There was at one time a no camping sign.

I'm told the enforcement officers start at 6am

 

[Deleted member 967]

Looks like council has all the "i"s dotted and the "t"s crossed so that battle is over. Move on.

The Temporary Order is the worst drafted TRO document I have seen. I have contacted over 430 authorities and read their orders including the original Conwy order.

It is far from i's dotted and t's crossed.

I have been tied up today with a breakdown and at present I am in a garage yard in Leeds awaiting parts to be fitted tomorrow. When I get time I will go through the order and point out the problems. I lost my internet connection yesterday just after I posted on here.

John

 

[Brochloon]

You can say that in jest but we are really going to do just that I am so fed up with the naming and shaming,also council fines,that when parked we really will display another registration number.

Big fine for that !

 

[wildman]

You can say that in jest but we are really going to do just that I am so fed up with the naming and shaming,also council fines,that when parked we really will display another registration number.

The naming and shaming does not affect responsible motorhomers, are you saying you are not one?

 

[fofeg101]

Seriously?

I'd thought of doing that. Buy some plates from Ireland, fit velcro tape to both plates on vehicle and false plates. Obviously totally illegal on the public road but I'm not sure about being in a car park, or other off road area..???

 

[Canalsman]

Bump ...

Still waiting for full details as to where these fines were issued ...

 

[Channa]

I too Poi admin read the order and didnt see Llandullas mentioned..certainly as of last year there were no signs whatsoever....I used the car park often it i sbang on the route 5 cycle network so a good spot to set off from for either Llandudno or Rhyl.

Someone put a photo of him on here, but last year there was a guy fulltiming on the front at Colwyn normally where the prom finishes and the cycle route takes over...nice enough bloke actually was fishing for his lunch ,bit unkempt and untidy which I dare say alarmed perhaps a few locals .Shame really because I got chatting to him and he was ok ...normal story marital breakdown and left with fa so bought a renault camper.

I am slightly surprised at Colwyn the front in places around the pier very tired looking so one would think grateful for the trade.

I have worked on most of the campsites in that neck of the woods, and \i can honestly say I never came across any site berating wildcampers. The local MP Darren Millar has a bee in his bonnet regarding people in statics living residential when the sites are holiday sites and that truthfully is the focus for most sites. They are under significant pressure to illustrate their clients are there in holiday capacity and not residential. the sites have more to concern them than a few wildcampers IMO. Bills in the Welsh Assembly and all sorts going off.

Channa

 

[Bigpeetee]

Does anyone have ANY concrete info of the Fines imposed at Llanddulas?

There's a few irregularities, but need some evidence ASAP

 

[GWAYGWAY]

There is a possible let out, that the sizes of a parking space ,I believe, are specified exactly minimum 2.4 by 1.8. and therefore they have to match those measurements, if not, and a lot do not, then the parking area does not have legal status. If you are outside of those lines then you cannot be done for it if they do not comply by being undersized.

 

[chipvan]

Llandulas parking ticket

We have been reading this thread with interest as not being able to park at Colwyn Bay last month we moved up to Llandulas. We did not see any no parking signs and you will note from the picture there is no parking bay lines , so how would you get a parking ticket ?

The picture was taken at the end of August.

 

[Penny13]

I am trying to find out exactly where but not getting any answers ! Will keep trying

 

[brotherjoe]

I am trying to find out exactly where but not getting any answers ! Will keep trying

Picked up a fine here on Sunday morning 17th September 2017.

Hadn't seen any signs on the way in.

Had a look after the ticket gestapo officer had left and saw 2 signs fixed about 8ft in the air, either side of the entrance.

 

[GeoffL]

According to the last list I saw published in MMM, the lightest conversion weighed in at 1800kg unladen. Most 4x4s also exceed this limit.

My LWB Mk 2 Pajero has an unladen weight of about 1.8 tonnes. Many MPVs are also over that 1.5 tonne limit -- so I guess they don't like families either!

 

[skippy]

llandulas fine

3 years ago was parked with many others at Upton on Severn police came around American rv 's had to buy 2 tickets informed me to park with wheels in marked bay with overhang protruding onto roadway. He stated you comply with parking within the bay the vehicle is taxed and overhang can be on the road .After watching others come into park I decided for safety to park in bottom corner and watch very irate truck drivers trying to park up.

 

[alcam]

I got a fine in Sussex we had just broken the offside mirror in a coming together with an articulated lorry ,ok he won !
Anyway parked up to do emergency repair go to buy any mirror and get a ticket for overhanging 2 bay's ,tell council the story they say "Although I have noted you have stated the mirror being smashed off prior to parking your reasons are not accepted as grounds for cancellation of the penalty charge notice"
Have they not noticed it is impossible to pull away in a LHD vehicle with no offside mirror,going to tell them I Will go to the press and vosa,as they are telling me to drive an unroadworthy vehicle.

If you lose the first appeal , and have good grounds , you must appeal again . It doesn't cost anything and , I think , your circumstances would be compelling .

 

[GreggBear]

I'd thought of doing that. Buy some plates from Ireland, fit velcro tape to both plates on vehicle and false plates. Obviously totally illegal on the public road but I'm not sure about being in a car park, or other off road area..???

Far as I can tell, false plates anywhere public is a big no no. Probably end up with a bigger fine than the parking one,and its so easy for the authorities to catch you out now with anpr cameras etc. Better to just play the game I think.

 

[Deleted member 68397]

This may happen more often if we dont show more consideration for others

I think this may become more frequent in some other over popular carparks and 'wildcamping' locations. As motorhomers seem more willing to park up in some quite inconsiderate locations to 'wildcamp'.
For many it is to save paying the fees of a proper campsite, in many cases quite justified but to then park ten motorhomes in any carpark is hardly wild camping is it?
We have noticed a few locations which no one minds one or even two motorhomes sitting for a night, even two, they are now regularly packed with up to eight motorhomes and custom vans. One is a very picturesque harbour side location in Arbroath, where the residents(some elderly pensions in sheltered housing) can see the sea and the passing boats coming in to the harbour. Now all they see on a regular basis is a white wall of motorhomes.
I think where the consideration should come from is ourselves, it may be our intention only to park up for one or two nights but during the summer months there may have been vans there every night previous and after ourselves.
Just my opinion, I'm sure a lot of us like the convenience of a remote carpark for an unplanned overnight but there is nothing 'wild ' about it.

Slainte, Growlie69