campervanannie
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Well done calm persistence has won the day.
Llandullas Fine's Issued
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alcam
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Correct , many people pay parking fines which are not valid . If you have a good case (as in this instance) stick to your guns .
Well done to the OP
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Excellent news,I for one was reasonably confident you would win and criticised for suggesting you followed through to conclusion. A great result well done...do you want a bet ? I doubt very much the signage will change it hasn't in Blackpool that makes me wonder how many fines are issued, revenue raised through this deliberate malpractice
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alcam
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Correct Channa . People , understandably , find it hard to believe that the authorities are often 'at it' .
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A very good point. I think it was expedient for the council to withdraw the PCN. Had the appeal gone to the Appeals Tribunal then I have no doubt it would have been upheld.
Morally, the council should now refund all charges raised on PCNs for this car park. Had it gone to the Penalty Appeals Tribunal and upheld then I think the council would have had no choice but to refund all charges – as in the Lendal Bridge and Preston Fishergate fiascos. All three due to inadequate signage. I think the council withdrew to avoid having to do this.
Total cost of Lendal Bridge fiasco to top PS760,000 | York Press
Lancashire County Council agrees bus lane fines refund - BBC News
I think there is now a possibility of continued approaches to Conwy Council with the aim of instituting permitted overnight parking. At Llandullas - why not? Been used for years; no complaints from the public until a couple of years ago; only nine (from only seven complainants) in the last four years. only a couple about waste.
It's happened elsewhere. It could happen here?
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But ... still Colwyn council thought it could impose PCNs.
"Motorists who were fined after believing a sign that said free parking meant free parking say they have had their tickets overturned.
A dozen drivers parked in the car park at Ivy Street in Colwyn Bay , where a bold, yellow sign for a Welsh government-backed scheme stated they could park for no charge.
But they were all landed with penalty notices after they failed to read the small print on the ordinary parking sign , which limited the stay to four hours. "
Victory for 'free parking' motorists slapped with fines as penalties overturned - Daily Post
This is the same council imposing PCNs for Llanddulo Beach Car Park. I've asked for an assurance that after Brothejoe's siccessful appeal there will be no more PCNs issued until the signage is put right.
Councils have to get the signs right. And, when they get them wrong - all PCNs should be refunded not just the ones for people who are prepared to stand up and make a fuss. And no more issued until they are put right.
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I've been talking, by email, to Conwy Council. The council has now dropped the “large numbers of complaints” and “disposal of waste on the ground” reasons and is now depending on “impact on local business” and “requirement to provide facilities” as reasons for prohibiting overnight parking of motorhomes.
I've been invited to respond and I've drafted a response which I'll send later in the week for Julia to see when she gets back to work. Julia is a lawyer employed by the council and she's involved because I reasoned that refunds should be made to all those who paid PCNs; in effect that BrotherJo's successful discrediting of his PCN affected all PCNs issued for the same reason.
I'd always insisted to councils that we have a beneficial impact on business and that facilities can come later if a trial is successful.
If anyone else feels able to help by filling Julia's inbox then please do. I'm fairly certain our views will be passed on.
I've been invited to respond and I've drafted a response which I'll send later in the week for Julia to see when she gets back to work. Julia is a lawyer employed by the council and she's involved because I reasoned that refunds should be made to all those who paid PCNs; in effect that BrotherJo's successful discrediting of his PCN affected all PCNs issued for the same reason.
I'd always insisted to councils that we have a beneficial impact on business and that facilities can come later if a trial is successful.
If anyone else feels able to help by filling Julia's inbox then please do. I'm fairly certain our views will be passed on.
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The reasons stated are questionable Tom, and certainly there is merit in PCN's have been issued without due and diligent process. However long term I can see a PSPO being issued which will close the venue ! SO unsure in that respect what will be long term achieved,
With the exception of a few councils ,getting any meaningful dialogue seems beyond them Masham in North Yorks being a recent example
Channa
With the exception of a few councils ,getting any meaningful dialogue seems beyond them Masham in North Yorks being a recent example
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The only local businesses impacted negatively by motorhome parking between 11pm and 7am can only by Campsites? As you would be at them if not allowed to park then.
Every other business will only have potential benefit, so I guess it is down to internal power struggles within the council and what presence the campsite owners have on the committee's. Be interesting to get a breakdown of the councillors and their business interests ....
Every other business will only have potential benefit, so I guess it is down to internal power struggles within the council and what presence the campsite owners have on the committee's. Be interesting to get a breakdown of the councillors and their business interests ....
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Indeed, I know this location extremely well worked on 2 caravan sites pretty much adjacent but allow statics only !top of the hill a touring park. Not withstanding there are toilets , water facility wouldn't be that expensive nor a dedicated grate for waste disposal... Here is the interesting bit and my figures are arguably questionable but robust
If Llandullas were to charge £10 per night and achieve a 70 % utilisation which is a hospitality industry benchmark Easter to first week of October at 10 spaces utilisation 7 the site would generate over £13500 for very little investment ...income to the area of local shops pubs restaurants and bars not included but then councils rarely are perceptive to assisting the people who pay their wages .
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I agree with your statement about the campsites being negatively impacted. However I have to disagree with your following sentence, cos I don't think many using that car park would be driven to use a campsite. I would go elsewhere, but they don't seem to understand that viewpoint.
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I don't think that either, but I think that is the belief the council will hold as they think the draw of the area is irresistible.
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They must be smoking crack....
It's a frequent dogging spot next to some muddy pretend sea... To be honest they would have to be paying me to stay there (and it wouldn't be cheap ;-))
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LOL yes I read it used to be a doggers paradise years back, decent for launching your kayak from tho, as long as you dont mind it looking like a plasterers radio.
see my post here about the signs Llanddulas "New signs"
see my post here about the signs Llanddulas "New signs"