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[RichardHelen262]

Did the second engine arrive ?

 

[mossypossy]

Presume engine arrived, but I have given up ringing for updates.

Will eventually get a call to say come and collect the damn thing.

It has been inside his workshop in the dry for three weeks now, just taking up space.

 

[jagmanx]

Scandinaviz

Grand scheme of things it is nothing

We may have had two weeks away in that time period.

Not booking the channel crossing for next summers Scandi-fest yet though.

All should be ok for you by then.

1 suggest you have a few days using the mh after repair is complete to check all is well and all your kit is in place.

We also plan. Denmark (late may)
Norway ( june / july)
Finland (late july)
Sweden (august)

Ferry from Hirtsals to K sand but bridge from Malmo on way home.
Some good info on this forum.
Only thing I would add id that some of thr high passes do not open until 1st of june.
Hope you have a super trip after all your woes.

 

[mossypossy]

We will do a few local overnighters to gently run the engine in. Maybe slip a Scottish Easter trip in.
Plan to do Sweden via big bridge last week of July, rapid run north then gentle meander south thru Norway. Six weeks in total.

 

[listerdiesel]

The differences between turbo and non-turbo are quite marked.

Compression ratio is normally lower on a turbo diesel, meaning pistons are different, injection pump/system has manifold pressure sensing for fuel/air balancing and so forth, even the camshaft may be different.

I've converted Scania engines from non turbo to turbo in the past, it was a big job.

Peter

 

[mossypossy]

How should I treat my "new" engine when I get it back?
Sofim 2.8idTD
Shortish period before first oil change?
Should I start using Shell V power diesel?

 

[listerdiesel]

It's throttle opening that needs to be regulated, no more than 1/3 to 1/2 throttle for the first 250 miles, then gradually increase the work the engine is doing up to full throttle at 1000 miles.

Both our Renault Trafics achieved very high mileages on their original engines, just carefully run in and regularly serviced.

400,000km on the 2004 model, the 2007 one is over 250,000km and still running. No injector or pump changes.

Keep to branded fuel, but no need for V-Power or other 'Super' fuels, good clean fuel is what you need.

Might be worth changing oil and filter at 6000 miles, I think the Renaults were much longer periods and we used fully or semi-synthetic oil.

Peter

 

[maingate]

Diesels of that era often had 6,000 mile service intervals as normal. 3,000 might be better for it.

 

[Teutone]

Many turbos die prematurley because owners don't give them enough time to cool down after a long hard run. Pulling into a laybay and switching the engine off stops the supply of oil to the red hot turbo and the bearings suffer. In a nutshell.

 

[listerdiesel]

Oil filtration and oil quality are the most important things to watch when looking at turbo life, that and the cooling down pause as mentioned above.

Scania used to fit a full flow oil filter just for the turbo feed, the main engine had a Glacier centrifugal oil cleaner.

Turbos have come on in leaps and bounds since I was on the trucks in the mid 70's, we used to rebuild Holset and Airesearch turbos on the trucks, nowadays it's all a throw away job and fit a new one.

Peter

 

[lebesset]

How should I treat my "new" engine when I get it back?
Sofim 2.8idTD
Shortish period before first oil change?
Should I start using Shell V power diesel?

the factory recommendation is for oil / filter change at 20k Km ; but for the relatively low annual Kms that motorhomes travel I don't go past 10k which is every year ; 10w 40 semi synthetic suits the engine extremely well and with that I use 1litre pa , half way down the dip dipstick , started off like that and never changed

 

[trevskoda]

5 thu oil change or 6 mth which ever comes first for short hops,asda 10/40 or 5/40 is ok,i liked the tip on turbo cooling a new one for me must remember it.:bow::wave:

 

[maingate]

5 thu oil change or 6 mth which ever comes first for short hops,asda 10/40 or 5/40 is ok,i liked the tip on turbo cooling a new one for me must remember it.:bow::wave:

I ran Renault Clio 1.9 non-turbo diesels for over 13 years Trev. Similar engines were put in Motorhomes. The normal Service interval was 6,000 miles but I think the last one (year 2000) might have jumped to 10,000. It did not matter because I always booked it into Kwik Fit for an oil and filter change every 5,000 miles. It was dirt cheap and I got free Coffee while I waited.

I did the other filters myself.

 

[Teutone]

5 thu oil change or 6 mth which ever comes first for short hops,asda 10/40 or 5/40 is ok,i liked the tip on turbo cooling a new one for me must remember it.:bow::wave:

you would be surprised how long the turbo still spins after you turned the engine off after a hard run. Engine off means no more fresh oil supply and the remaining little bit of oil in the bearings gets cooked. Letting the engine idle a few minutes can avoid damage. Fitting a oil temperature gauge is on my list.
Even if the water temp is looking ok, the oil could still be at the upper end of the working temperature. Especially on a chipped turbo diesel I want to know what the oil temperaturs are to back off the throttle when it get's critical. But luckily in the UK there is a motorway speed limit and there aren't too many steep hills causing too much stress.

 

[mossypossy]

I fitted an oil temp gauge to my Saab 900 turbo.
Only time I ever saw it move was a rapid climb to 1500m in Switzerland.

 

[Teutone]

I fitted an oil temp gauge to my Saab 900 turbo.
Only time I ever saw it move was a rapid climb to 1500m in Switzerland.

and that was "only" in a car. Imagine 3.5tons hauled up there from what in these days is basically a car engine.

 

[mossypossy]

Think it took about 15 minutes to do the climb in the car.
Would be an hour in the motorhome so fair point!

 

[mark61]

you would be surprised how long the turbo still spins after you turned the engine off after a hard run. Engine off means no more fresh oil supply and the remaining little bit of oil in the bearings gets cooked. Letting the engine idle a few minutes can avoid damage. Fitting a oil temperature gauge is on my list.
Even if the water temp is looking ok, the oil could still be at the upper end of the working temperature. Especially on a chipped turbo diesel I want to know what the oil temperaturs are to back off the throttle when it get's critical. But luckily in the UK there is a motorway speed limit and there aren't too many steep hills causing too much stress.

Very true, always surprises me when people pull over to take pictures, look at view etc, while on a long climb, and immediately turn the engine off.

BTW, I'm no expert, but I have been told that exhaust gas temp gauges are the best way to check on turbo, may be worth looking into.

 

[Teutone]

Very true, always surprises me when people pull over to take pictures, look at view etc, while on a long climb, and immediately turn the engine off.

BTW, I'm no expert, but I have been told that exhaust gas temp gauges are the best way to check on turbo, may be worth looking into.

exhaust gas temperatur is often used to determine if an engine is running lean or rich (lean = HOT) and the probes are difficult to fit compared to a oil temp probe. They react more instant to changes than the oil temp which needs a few minutes to creep up. So you will find EGT gauges mostly in high powered (read expensive) petrol engines which run close to the limit of max power and will cost bit ££££ if they go bang.
For you and me a oil temp gauge will do the trick and oil temp probes can often be bought as a dip stick replacement or included in the sump plug.
I didn't have much time to look at out engine but I will try to fit the probe somewhere near the outline pipe of the oil cooler (and out of the cooling wind like in the sump plug)

 

[mossypossy]

Grrr

Hey guess what?
They (engine supplier) fitted the wrong fuel pump to the new engine.
Hopefully this matter can be resolved in the UK without the need to involve Italy

2016 now, no early Christmas pressie for me then