I'm tentively looking around for possibilities for our next van.

barryd said:
Michelle likes our front Dinette or "The train" as she likes to call it. Its so far away from the rear lounge its like having two separate vans. :D I can banish her down there if I want to do important stuff in the back like annoy people on here or plot world domination. Stuff like that.
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Bet you're only allowed to plot world domination if Michelle says you can ... 😁

Steve
 
That was the 9 speed, they dropped it as it wasn't getting to top gear at legal speeds, MPG was low, the new Aisin box gets really good MPG, mid 30s and can handle the big BHP torque
 
Pudsey Bear said:
That was the 9 speed, they dropped it as it wasn't getting to top gear at legal speeds, MPG was low, the new Aisin box gets really good MPG, mid 30s and can handle the big BHP torque
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I have a 9 speed ZF box and it uses 9th gear at anything over 60 if the conditions are right. With heavier loads or an incline it may use lower gears. Gears 6,7,8 and 9 are all overdrive gears and I am averaging 32mpg with high 30s when cruising steadily on a motorway. I think the change to the Aisin 8 speed was more to do with production costs than anything else. The ZF box has been used for many years with high torque engines, my understanding is that the Fiat problem with the bigger engines was one of gear change timing rather than torque. I would be happy to buy either the ZF or the Aisin box.
 
Pudsey Bear said:
I thought they only started using the 8 speed Aisin box in 2024 in the vans and 2025 in motorhomes Julian.
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Maybe, it's all a mystery really 😀. As Okta above says, probably more commercial reasons for changing to Aisin. ZF have an extremely good reputation, being used in numerous high end vehicles.
 
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