I'm tentively looking around for possibilities for our next van.

Michelle likes our front Dinette or "The train" as she likes to call it. Its so far away from the rear lounge its like having two separate vans. :D I can banish her down there if I want to do important stuff in the back like annoy people on here or plot world domination. Stuff like that.
Bet you're only allowed to plot world domination if Michelle says you can ... 😁

Steve
 
I thought they only started using the 8 speed Aisin box in 2024 in the vans and 2025 in motorhomes Julian.
 
That was the 9 speed, they dropped it as it wasn't getting to top gear at legal speeds, MPG was low, the new Aisin box gets really good MPG, mid 30s and can handle the big BHP torque
 
That was the 9 speed, they dropped it as it wasn't getting to top gear at legal speeds, MPG was low, the new Aisin box gets really good MPG, mid 30s and can handle the big BHP torque
I have a 9 speed ZF box and it uses 9th gear at anything over 60 if the conditions are right. With heavier loads or an incline it may use lower gears. Gears 6,7,8 and 9 are all overdrive gears and I am averaging 32mpg with high 30s when cruising steadily on a motorway. I think the change to the Aisin 8 speed was more to do with production costs than anything else. The ZF box has been used for many years with high torque engines, my understanding is that the Fiat problem with the bigger engines was one of gear change timing rather than torque. I would be happy to buy either the ZF or the Aisin box.
 
Aren't they all though Rob? Well coach built and A Class as least. I guess they are all in the main 3m high big white bricks you are trying to push through the air at 70mph.

Dunno how I did it Barry but I replied to the wrong post in the wrong thread! - must be last nights alcohol interfering.

The post I meant to reply to was in the thread 'Motorhomes from the east' which Kev posted earlier regarding a Toyota Granvia King Auto 3.4 litre petrol which I think would be a thirstyish base vehicle without the habitation attached.

I'm off to top up me alcohol levels in an hour so should be all betterer then! 😊
 
Hmm, been looking into the Ford vans, not at all keen on the Wet belt, asked Google and it may be okay but you certainly need to do the maintencance.

The Ford 2.0L EcoBlue "wet belt" system, found in 3.5-tonne Transits since 2016, is a highly controversial design where the timing belt is submerged in engine oil. While designed to reduce noise and friction, real-world performance has led to significant reliability concerns across Europe.
Bristol Caravans and Motorhomes +3

Primary Problems and Risks
The biggest weakness of this system is belt degradation caused by oil contamination.
Bristol Caravans and Motorhomes +1
  • Oil Dilution: Failed DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) regenerations can cause unburnt diesel to enter the oil, which chemically attacks the rubber compounds in the belt.
  • Oil Pump Blockage: As the belt breaks down, it sheds rubber fibres and debris into the oil sump. This debris clogs the oil pick-up strainer, starving the engine of lubrication and leading to catastrophic failure or seizure.
  • Sudden Failure: Experts warn that there is often no gradual deterioration or noise before the belt fails; it can be fine one minute and snap the next.
    Andrews Car Centre +3

Early Warning Signs
If you own or are looking at an EcoBlue Transit, watch for these symptoms:
  • Low Oil Pressure Light: The most critical sign that the oil strainer is already becoming blocked.
  • Unusual Noises: Ticking, whining, or rattling sounds, especially on cold starts or during acceleration.
  • Performance Issues: Rough idling, misfires, or a sudden loss of power during acceleration.
  • Debris in Oil: Finding black rubber specks or "glop" during an oil change is a clear indicator of belt disintegration.
    Swiss Vans Leasing +5

Revised Maintenance Requirements
Due to these issues, Ford UK officially lowered the replacement interval in 2024.
Bristol Caravans and Motorhomes
  • Official Interval: Now 6 years or 100,000 miles (whichever comes first), down from the original 10 years/150,000 miles.
  • Specialist Recommendation: Many independent garages advise replacement even earlier, around 60,000 to 80,000 miles, particularly for vans used for short urban trips or motorhomes that sit idle for long periods.
  • Critical Oil Spec: You must use Ford-approved low-ash oil (WSS-M2C952-A1 0W-30). Using the wrong oil or skipping services drastically accelerates belt failure.
    Andrews Car Centre +4

Replacement and Repair Costs
A wet belt replacement is a complex, multi-day job because it is located deep inside the engine.
LCM Automotive +1
  • Preventative Replacement: Typically costs between £900 and £1,600 depending on the specific model (FWD vs RWD) and whether the oil pump belt and strainer are also replaced.
  • Full Engine Failure: If the belt snaps, a new genuine engine can cost in excess of £10,000 plus several weeks of labour.
    Reynolds Of Selby +3

These articles explain the common failure points and recommended maintenance for Ford's 2.0L EcoBlue wet belt system:
Ford Transit Wet Cam Belt Issues and The Fix
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Ford 2.0 EcoBlue Wet Timing Belt Replacement – Filton, Bristol
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  • Ford Transit Wet Cam Belt Issues and The Fix
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    Bristol Caravans and Motorhomes


  • How to Spot Early Signs of Wet Belt Failure in Ford EcoBoost Engines
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  • The Real Risk Behind Ford Transit Wet Belts - TGPP Autocare
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Is there a recall or a permanent fix for it?

There is
no official mass recall or a single "permanent fix" (such as a chain conversion) for the
Ford 2.0L EcoBlue wet belt system
as of early 2026.
Bristol Caravans and Motorhomes +1
Instead, Ford has addressed the issue by significantly shortening the service intervals and updating their maintenance guidance to prevent failures.
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Current Status of the "Fix"
  • Revised Intervals: In 2024, Ford reduced the official replacement interval for the 2.0L EcoBlue timing belt to 6 years or 100,000 miles (down from 10 years or 150,000 miles).
  • No Chain Conversion: Unlike the older 1.8L TDCi engines, there is currently no direct conversion kit to switch the 2.0L EcoBlue from a wet belt to a timing chain. The engine's internal architecture was designed specifically for a belt-in-oil system.
  • Partial Recall History: While a specific recall was issued for some 2017 Transit Customs related to timing belts, there has been no universal recall for all EcoBlue engines. Repairs for premature failure are often handled on a case-by-case "goodwill" basis by Ford dealers, typically requiring a full service history.
    Approved Engines +4

Best Preventative Strategy
Since there is no "fit and forget" mechanical fix, owners must rely on strict maintenance:
  • Frequent Oil Changes: Reducing oil change intervals to every 6,000–10,000 miles helps prevent fuel dilution, which is the primary cause of belt degradation.
  • Oil Specification: Use only the Ford-approved WSS-M2C952-A1 (0W-30) oil. Incorrect oil grades can cause the belt to swell or delaminate rapidly.
  • Proactive Replacement: Many independent specialists recommend replacing the belt at 5 years or 60,000–80,000 miles as a safety margin.
  • Sump Inspection: When changing oil, experts suggest checking the oil pump strainer for any black rubber debris, which is a "canary in the coal mine" for belt failure.
 
AKAIK Same ford engine in the VW. I tried one out recently, a crew cab sport But electric. Was impressed with it, ,£58k though 🤔
Well, it's basically a rebadged Transit Custom, with a few trim changes. I understand VW have gone a bit further with service and warranty to reduce wet belt fear.
The Multivan is a VW product though.
 
This is very close, but too many pence for us.

I know someone that is selling one of these, it is about six months old, they have only done two long weekends to the lakes in it,
But his wife is one that likes first class holidays, they have an abroad holiday about every six weeks and travel first class and 5 star
He likes the motorhome, she is a snob and wears the trousers
 
IF (BIG IF) we were to go Ford auto, I'd not worry too much, I would insist the dealer do a full service, including a new belt and tensioner, etc., and simply get it serviced every year, cheap insurance.

But I'd rather have a Ducato, but the Trannny has a nicer cab I think.
 
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