Hunmanby Gap!!!

[mark61]

So how do you think it should be addressed?

I address it by taking some posts with a massive pinch of salt.

For as long as I have been on this forum members have called out the less than savoury habits of some MH'ers. To make out that there is a collective who want to divert from the issue simply because they point out that others have less than savoury habits too, is bonkers.

 

[Robmac]

So how do you think it should be addressed?

Deterrents.

The threat of HUGE fines or even vehicle confiscation and the widespread publication of these consequences along with the threat of DNA testing of fecal matter. If people know that their 'deposits' can be tested for DNA (and they can) it should make them think twice about leaving such evidence just waiting to be collected - especially if these are violent people who's DNA is already on the national database. Publication of such consequences needn't even be directed at the motorhome community but become part of the country code for campers, hikers or any other groups using the countryside.

However unpleasant a task that might seem to collect such evidence it is already used from robbery scenes. Some might argue that this is a Draconian measure and DNA testing would cost too much but then yes let the guilty party foot the bill as well as the fine. Could even be a nice little earner for the Police if the bar is set high enough.

Sometimes Draconian measures are needed to stamp out elements like this and the recipients of such measures should only blame themselves. This country have pussyfooted around all sorts of crime for too long and that's why it is out of control.

 

[Robmac]

Deterrents.

The threat of HUGE fines or even vehicle confiscation and the widespread publication of these consequences along with the threat of DNA testing of fecal matter. If people know that their 'deposits' can be tested for DNA (and they can) it should make them think twice about leaving such evidence just waiting to be collected - especially if these are violent people who's DNA is already on the national database. Publication of such consequences needn't even be directed at the motorhome community but become part of the country code for campers, hikers or any other groups using the countryside.

However unpleasant a task that might seem to collect such evidence it is already used from robbery scenes. Some might argue that this is a Draconian measure and DNA testing would cost too much but then yes let the guilty party foot the bill as well as the fine. Could even be a nice little earner for the Police if the bar is set high enough.

Sometimes Draconian measures are needed to stamp out elements like this and the recipients of such measures should only blame themselves. This country have pussyfooted around all sorts of crime for too long and that's why it is out of control.

... incidentally, just to make it clear, what I meant by 'widespread publication of such consequences' is by way of forewarning people rather than publication of prosecutions.

Also this would mean making it a Police matter and taking the council out of the loop altogether.

 

[Rolyan57]

I address it by taking some posts with a massive pinch of salt.

For as long as I have been on this forum members have called out the less than savoury habits of some MH'ers. To make out that there is a collective who want to divert from the issue simply because they point out that others have less than savoury habits too, is bonkers.

There may not be a “collective”. But there are a number on all forums that repeatedly divert attention away from a real issue.

 

[Debroos]

Deterrents.

The threat of HUGE fines or even vehicle confiscation and the widespread publication of these consequences along with the threat of DNA testing of fecal matter. If people know that their 'deposits' can be tested for DNA (and they can) it should make them think twice about leaving such evidence just waiting to be collected - especially if these are violent people who's DNA is already on the national database. Publication of such consequences needn't even be directed at the motorhome community but become part of the country code for campers, hikers or any other groups using the countryside.

However unpleasant a task that might seem to collect such evidence it is already used from robbery scenes. Some might argue that this is a Draconian measure and DNA testing would cost too much but then yes let the guilty party foot the bill as well as the fine. Could even be a nice little earner for the Police if the bar is set high enough.

Sometimes Draconian measures are needed to stamp out elements like this and the recipients of such measures should only blame themselves. This country have pussyfooted around all sorts of crime for too long and that's why it is out of control.

But surely it's already illegal. If it's not enforced now then it's not likely it will be then. I think dna testing is expensive even for the police.
I like to think I would call someone out for emptying a cassette but, as others have said, verbal abuse might be the least of our problems...I would take a photo of their number plate and the offending mess and report it though. Can't see anything wrong with that.

 

[Robmac]

But surely it's already illegal. If it's not enforced now then it's not likely it will be then. I think dna testing is expensive even for the police.
I like to think I would call someone out for emptying a cassette but, as others have said, verbal abuse might be the least of our problems...I would take a photo of their number plate and the offending mess and report it though. Can't see anything wrong with that.

A picture of some mess and a number plate proves nothing though and would not stand up in any court.

Not that it would ever get to court, the picture would probably end up in a newspaper.

 

[Rolyan57]

A picture of some mess and a number plate proves nothing though and would not stand up in any court.

Not that it would ever get to court, the picture would probably end up in a newspaper.

That’s the problem really.

The police would do nothing, even (in my opinion) with evidence such as video. They won’t deem it a serious offence and haven’t the manpower or resources to do anything.

The council definitely wouldn’t do anything with just a photo, and possibly not even with a video. You only have to get involved with reporting flytipping to see how difficult it is to get anything done.

So that leaves us. Which is not easy, and not as simple as some suggest. You only have to see the videos of people openly shoplifting, stealing bikes etc., to see how many are now too scared to act.

Add into that the fact that these scum will try not to do it openly, and there’s not an easy solution. As you say, the authorities should take extreme actions, but sadly they won’t.

 

[maingate]

The thought of us old codgers using fisticuffs has me laughing. Although some of us have weapons, like a walking stick, an artificial leg or a Stoma bag to use.

If they are going to empty their cassette, generally speaking, there is not a damn thing we could do about it.

 

[Boris7]

There may not be a “collective”. But there are a number on all forums that repeatedly divert attention away from a real issue.

So let’s talk about football then

 

[Boris7]

Seriously, the only thing you can do is video these people, send the video to the old bill while you try to explain to the idiot involved that their bang out of order.

 

[mark61]

The thought of us old codgers using fisticuffs has me laughing. Although some of us have weapons, like a walking stick, an artificial leg or a Stoma bag to use.

If they are going to empty their cassette, generally speaking, there is not a damn thing we could do about it.

When 2 lads pushed me off my bike trying to nick it, my first thought was to rip me bag off and splatter it in their faces like a custard pie, unfortunately it was empty.

Anyway, there is a beautiful irony of whacking a bag round someones face if you catch them emptying a cassette.

 

[Robmac]

That’s the problem really.

The police would do nothing, even (in my opinion) with evidence such as video. They won’t deem it a serious offence and haven’t the manpower or resources to do anything.

The council definitely wouldn’t do anything with just a photo, and possibly not even with a video. You only have to get involved with reporting flytipping to see how difficult it is to get anything done.

So that leaves us. Which is not easy, and not as simple as some suggest. You only have to see the videos of people openly shoplifting, stealing bikes etc., to see how many are now too scared to act.

Add into that the fact that these scum will try not to do it openly, and there’s not an easy solution. As you say, the authorities should take extreme actions, but sadly they won’t.

Therein lies the rub. It's not as serious a matter to the Police as it is to the general public and the motorhoming community even though it is massively anti-social and it is the same with most 'minor' crimes like as you say, fly-tipping, shoplifting Etc. or even burglary. If the Councils get a whiff of it though () they are all over it like a rash and the solution to them is to blame the majority rather than the minority.

I despair with the way crime is not dealt with in this country and I don't blame the overstretched Police, they are as frustrated as we are. Even rapists and murderers - We're gonna punish you by sending you somewhere where you have to eat free food, get free electricity, watch TV and not do any work, that'll teach you! I can see future generations looking back and thinking we were completely mad.

You couldn't make it up.

 

[Nabsim]

That’s the problem really.

The police would do nothing, even (in my opinion) with evidence such as video. They won’t deem it a serious offence and haven’t the manpower or resources to do anything.

The council definitely wouldn’t do anything with just a photo, and possibly not even with a video. You only have to get involved with reporting flytipping to see how difficult it is to get anything done.

So that leaves us. Which is not easy, and not as simple as some suggest. You only have to see the videos of people openly shoplifting, stealing bikes etc., to see how many are now too scared to act.

Add into that the fact that these scum will try not to do it openly, and there’s not an easy solution. As you say, the authorities should take extreme actions, but sadly they won’t.

So, if the police aren't going to do anything, (almost certainly true) the council aren't going to do anything, (I suspect they will ban where they can but all and not the guilty) it leaves 'US' to do what? If we aren't going to speak to the people doing it we may as well do nothing. Do you think if the perpetrators wouldn't listen to a reasoned approach they are going to take any notice of something on the internet?

By the way, regarding shoplifting, the item value has to be above £200 before police are allowed to do anything. That's not to say they would want to get involved in any case. I don't have the same regard for our police forces as a lot on here but in any event they know it's a waste of time. Courts are overflowing and prisons are full. The world has moved on from what it was when most of us grew up but not everyone realises how far

 

[alcam]

Deterrents.

The threat of HUGE fines or even vehicle confiscation and the widespread publication of these consequences along with the threat of DNA testing of fecal matter. If people know that their 'deposits' can be tested for DNA (and they can) it should make them think twice about leaving such evidence just waiting to be collected - especially if these are violent people who's DNA is already on the national database. Publication of such consequences needn't even be directed at the motorhome community but become part of the country code for campers, hikers or any other groups using the countryside.

However unpleasant a task that might seem to collect such evidence it is already used from robbery scenes. Some might argue that this is a Draconian measure and DNA testing would cost too much but then yes let the guilty party foot the bill as well as the fine. Could even be a nice little earner for the Police if the bar is set high enough.

Sometimes Draconian measures are needed to stamp out elements like this and the recipients of such measures should only blame themselves. This country have pussyfooted around all sorts of crime for too long and that's why it is out of control.

Was told by police that there is no DNA in jobbies [not allowed to say sh it] unless there is blood .
Of course he may have been lying or ignorant . Not unheard of .

 

[Robmac]

Was told by police that there is no DNA in jobbies [not allowed to say sh it] unless there is blood .
Of course he may have been lying or ignorant . Not unheard of .

Apparently there is - but that's only info from the internet so who knows?

 

[mistericeman]

Apparently there is - but that's only info from the internet so who knows?

Pretty sure DNA is recoverable from faecal matter as it will contain various sloughed cells etc....

However I suspect it would only be done in the most serious of cases.

 

[maingate]

Do you lot mind!!!!!

I'm having me dinner.

 

[mark61]

There is, one way colorectal cancer is detected.

 

[alcam]

There is, one way colorectal cancer is detected.

I've been lied to by the constabulary !

 

[Nabsim]

I've been lied to by the constabulary !

And that surprises you lol?