Tezza
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I agree...our 1997 autotrail had only done 38k when we got it in Feburary.
Pilotewanderers
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B&B for cough...
We actually run a Guest House and no we do not sell double rooms at £45. Nor have we ever in the 7+ years in the business.
Our en-suite with breakfast doubles are £58 during the week and £68 at the weekends.
BTW a B&B should be three rooms or less. A guest House has no liscence and no upper limit on rooms that I know of, and a hotel has at the least a licence, a dining room evening meals and so on.
Next to fuel our other concern for the new vehicles we are seeing on the road are the tiny windows. We like to see out...
We know NW Scotland and one has to consider that there is a "Season" up in those parts and we as tourists are a cash crop, and a canny farmer makes hay....
PW
We actually run a Guest House and no we do not sell double rooms at £45. Nor have we ever in the 7+ years in the business.
Our en-suite with breakfast doubles are £58 during the week and £68 at the weekends.
BTW a B&B should be three rooms or less. A guest House has no liscence and no upper limit on rooms that I know of, and a hotel has at the least a licence, a dining room evening meals and so on.
Next to fuel our other concern for the new vehicles we are seeing on the road are the tiny windows. We like to see out...
We know NW Scotland and one has to consider that there is a "Season" up in those parts and we as tourists are a cash crop, and a canny farmer makes hay....
PW
flyinghigh
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Adria vision 2008 2.5dci 6 speed A class weighing 3.9T on a Renault master chassis average out at 27.5 MPG,
That's over25,000 miles on all types of roads, normal cruise motorways at 62 mph at just a fraction over 2000rpm in the max torque band,
As my old Land Rover discovery didn't do much better I consider its great value for money considering it's a box on wheels with the aerodynamics of a cube!
That's over25,000 miles on all types of roads, normal cruise motorways at 62 mph at just a fraction over 2000rpm in the max torque band,
As my old Land Rover discovery didn't do much better I consider its great value for money considering it's a box on wheels with the aerodynamics of a cube!
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good mpg
the size of vehicle you are talking about IS big, so you cannot expect too much..............I get 43mpg generally from my 2003 2.3jtd fiat trigano tribute, which I know is confirmable, because a few others get the same on the trigano forum, but you have to use all fuel saving actions, and drive very steadily...........I will not be trading in any time soon...............steve bristol
the size of vehicle you are talking about IS big, so you cannot expect too much..............I get 43mpg generally from my 2003 2.3jtd fiat trigano tribute, which I know is confirmable, because a few others get the same on the trigano forum, but you have to use all fuel saving actions, and drive very steadily...........I will not be trading in any time soon...............steve bristol
GRWXJR
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I think maybe you're correct with that last sentence. I think much along the same lines. The fact that traffic now travels way slower on average here in the Uk away from the motorway (due not just because people are watching the pennies, but due to the draconian SCAMERA highway robbery persecution of the Motorist's wallet) is also meaning that having a faster van is largely irrelevant anyhow.
Apart from poor acceleration and losing a lot of momentum and speed on hills versus newer kit, I find that my van's meagre 75 dobbins and sedate pace now keeps up with most traffic well enough, whereas 10 or 15 years back it'd have been a slow-moving obstruction everywhere. Weird to think that its now better suited to modern traffic than when it was new 15-years ago!
I just got back from the Royal Welsh Show in Builth Wells where I was working all week on our Stand. Filled up before I left and again on return, and got 31mpg. Given the cost of the van and its running costs, I think it'd be very hard to get more bang for your buck - and I certainly am very happy for there not to be an ECU or other electrickery anywhere on the van.
Apart from poor acceleration and losing a lot of momentum and speed on hills versus newer kit, I find that my van's meagre 75 dobbins and sedate pace now keeps up with most traffic well enough, whereas 10 or 15 years back it'd have been a slow-moving obstruction everywhere. Weird to think that its now better suited to modern traffic than when it was new 15-years ago!
I just got back from the Royal Welsh Show in Builth Wells where I was working all week on our Stand. Filled up before I left and again on return, and got 31mpg. Given the cost of the van and its running costs, I think it'd be very hard to get more bang for your buck - and I certainly am very happy for there not to be an ECU or other electrickery anywhere on the van.
Byronic
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I've taken accurate (tachograph) recordings of MPG over the last 4 years, about 40,000km.
27.8 MPG average. Have no idea about the other previous 15 years!
Vehicle MB 4 litre PVC, 6.6 tonne GVW running at about 5.3 tonnes. Generally open road conditions driven at a leisurely rate, but not for reasons of economy.
27.8 MPG average. Have no idea about the other previous 15 years!
Vehicle MB 4 litre PVC, 6.6 tonne GVW running at about 5.3 tonnes. Generally open road conditions driven at a leisurely rate, but not for reasons of economy.
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GRWXJR said:
I'm happy about this on my older Sprinter too.
Not so happy about that bit lol.
Ah well, everything in life is a compromise...
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Ah.... but better to be moving slowly than to not be moving at all cos some stupidly expensive pre-ordained and pre-programmed to fail black box or similar has you sat in a workshop waiting room weeping quietly while you part with the National Debt of Greece to get your engine working again eh?
Once you realise how easy it is to build in a 'time-bomb' in electronics to corrupt the memory or blow a component or circuit and render it useless BY DESIGN to force the consumer to spend on repair or better yet a replacement after a certain time/hours run combination or similar, then you develop a healthy cynicism and distrust of anything managed by and utterly dependent upon electronics.
We all wander about believing that electronic devices fail randomly and through natural causes - where really well-designed solid-state stuff should be robust as hell and very long-lived... yet they fail with monotonous regularity. Yes some of this will be bad quality control and making it on the cheap (even if it costs YOU a mint), but I think its just too good a trick to miss (and untraceable) for global Mfrs to overlook the revenue opportunity for giving aftermarket sales and new sales a 'helping hand'.
Mfrs LOVE Electronics - they give them opportunities to ring-fence the product to be supported by their own after-sales network for added revenue through its product life. They can (and do) code their ECU's etc. to prevent access by independents etc. and code parts like injectors so you can't buy one and chage it without the Dealer encoding it and so forth.
Our Govt COULD easily insist that all electronics on consumer goods were 'open protocol' to eliminate skullduggery - but they don't. No doubt the powerful Mfr Lobby and Money sees to that, so Joe Public gets to pick up a bigger tab than he needs to.
Cynical? Moi? Too right.
Right... Where's me Tinfoil Hat?
martyncc
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yes I have LWB Movano and get 33 to 36 mpg
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but more and more do buy the new things . maybe a dont buy campaign would lower the prices and even higher the standard of vehicles .
even the govt might learn if people just stopped buying new things . latest vehicle i bought was in 2007 that was the mitzy . my m,bikes are 2005 and 2001.x2. do folk really have to keep changing vehicles or have they just made a bad choice in the first place .
some arent happy with what they have ,then arent happy with what they buy . does make me laugh a bit .
only had my trailer 15 yrs now , cant sell it yet dont think i had my moneys worth out of it yet. ha ha .
even the govt might learn if people just stopped buying new things . latest vehicle i bought was in 2007 that was the mitzy . my m,bikes are 2005 and 2001.x2. do folk really have to keep changing vehicles or have they just made a bad choice in the first place .
some arent happy with what they have ,then arent happy with what they buy . does make me laugh a bit .
only had my trailer 15 yrs now , cant sell it yet dont think i had my moneys worth out of it yet. ha ha .
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If I see an expensive, new vehicle now the first thing that springs to mind is Contract Hire. So, probably not rich.
I know a lot of people will be impressed though...
I've no desire for a newer vehicle, we have 4, all pre 2005. Funnily enough, it's the oldest ('92 Escort Cosworth) that's far and away worth the most.
I know a lot of people will be impressed though...
I've no desire for a newer vehicle, we have 4, all pre 2005. Funnily enough, it's the oldest ('92 Escort Cosworth) that's far and away worth the most.
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my drifter is actually on computer inj. so far as been faultless . the suzuki,s and the jincheng dax are basic carbs .
i really couldnt care about reg numbers . mind my drifter and the dax have consecutive numbers i bought them both at the same time .
wouldnt bother me if i still had the vw lt on its 1987 d plate . would fit the trailers birth date . mind the trailer and the lt were expensive when i bought them 1650 quid for the pair in 2000. hee hee . unfortunately the vw got expensive to repair but i,m sure i made a good choice getting the mitzy. might never replace either if all goes well.
i really couldnt care about reg numbers . mind my drifter and the dax have consecutive numbers i bought them both at the same time .
wouldnt bother me if i still had the vw lt on its 1987 d plate . would fit the trailers birth date . mind the trailer and the lt were expensive when i bought them 1650 quid for the pair in 2000. hee hee . unfortunately the vw got expensive to repair but i,m sure i made a good choice getting the mitzy. might never replace either if all goes well.
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almost. the drifter was old stock from germany . i bought in uk . 4,500 quid the uk price at the time was 7,300 quid .
the dax i got for a grand .
mind chinese dax,s have been alot cheaper recently.
mine was brought in by fluff browns garage the trials guy .
he bought the rights to ajs in 71.
strangely enough drifter wise i met the german guy that shipped the old german stocks to the uk, two winters ago. he was in spain on the way to maroc . he is a mate of mate . the world does seem to get smaller all the time .
even checked frame numbers when he got home and mine was one he sold to kjm in bolton in 2000. i knew mine was really a 99 but regd as 2001 .
we did laugh when i bought both as to will the dax fit in the tool roll of the drifter . i must say the 1500cc vtwin is a lo vely motor . yet the 90cc dax is good fun as well .
the dax i got for a grand .
mind chinese dax,s have been alot cheaper recently.
mine was brought in by fluff browns garage the trials guy .
he bought the rights to ajs in 71.
strangely enough drifter wise i met the german guy that shipped the old german stocks to the uk, two winters ago. he was in spain on the way to maroc . he is a mate of mate . the world does seem to get smaller all the time .
even checked frame numbers when he got home and mine was one he sold to kjm in bolton in 2000. i knew mine was really a 99 but regd as 2001 .
we did laugh when i bought both as to will the dax fit in the tool roll of the drifter . i must say the 1500cc vtwin is a lo vely motor . yet the 90cc dax is good fun as well .
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Y'see, conventional wisdom (planted as 'fact') is that all these complex electronic systems are there because they HAVE to be.
Why? Cos the engines have to be so complex to meet super-duper emissions laws, so we can save the planet.
So.... we are encouraged by 'green' marketing and lower road tax incentives, with ever-higher excise duty for those nasty smelly old clunkers to punish you for running a 'dirty' vehicle. Shame on you low-income motorists - you should use the horse and cart instead.
So, the world uses up vast resources to make more and more new vehicles, while the recycling of the nasty old dirty stuff that we are being bullied into discarding uses up MORE resources. Sound 'Green' to you? (Only if you are green about the gills).
The electronics suit the Manufacturers so they can control you and the product. The 'Green' marketing suits the Manufacturer's AND the Govt as they get to tax you on your purchase, so the more often you buy a new vehicle then the more revenue they get from you. The recycling industry gets to profit from the near zero value of your highly depreciated worthless nasty old 'asset'.
what does the consumer get? Bloody seen coming and fleeced by all and sundry, thats what.
Can anyone seriously try and convince me that my 'carbon footprint' (snotty bureaucrat babble) is smaller if I buy and run new so-called 'Green' vehicles, spending a fortune I don't have while I am at it?
If I ran my so-called dirty, smelly, polluting pariah of a Transit diesel engine (and the van it is in) for another 15-years, for sure it'd create (a bit) more pollution than a shiny new electronic gadget controlled van. But not when you take into account that by keeping my existing van going I'm not needing all the resources to keep making and disposing of a new vehicle every few years.
Mfrs WANT and Govts NEED me to spend on new vehicles (and no doubt the former pushes the willing latter to keep making it harder and more expensive to run an older vehicle that does not line their pockets) - I don't need them - I'm quite happy with my dumb slow thing that doesn't need me to go to a Boffin with a laptop every time it needs any maintenance, thank you.
Add the big squeeze on going ever-slower on our roads, and a fast high-bhp vehicle becomes an ever-more irrelevant and expensive non-requirement IMO. Its all a con-job to liberate more money indirectly by convincing the consumer to be a willing spender and a willing tax victim.
But I suppose that if everyone thought like me the Economy would be in worse bother cos Consumer Spending would plummet.
I do think though that if I had the time, space and money I'd be getting a couple of older decent nick vehicles salted away for future use before they get 'classic' and expensive. I can see that before too much longer affordable motoring will be a thing of the past, once all the non-electronic vehicles disappear off the Used market, and we are left with unreliable over-complex used nightmares, or bend over, cave in and have to buy a new car just so it'll be reliable for the Warranty period, then chuck it away when it (as programmed) breaks. Wait for it, and before long you'll be PAYING for the 'responsible disposal and recycling' of your rubbish used vehicle under more guise of 'saving the planet'.... that another trick that's too good for the Civil Service Suits and Govt's to let slide.
As usual, we are all being royally screwed and HAD - and it ain't sheer coincidence - its 'engineered' that way.
Think I'm :wacko::wacko::wacko: ? Wait n see.
G.
Why? Cos the engines have to be so complex to meet super-duper emissions laws, so we can save the planet.
So.... we are encouraged by 'green' marketing and lower road tax incentives, with ever-higher excise duty for those nasty smelly old clunkers to punish you for running a 'dirty' vehicle. Shame on you low-income motorists - you should use the horse and cart instead.
So, the world uses up vast resources to make more and more new vehicles, while the recycling of the nasty old dirty stuff that we are being bullied into discarding uses up MORE resources. Sound 'Green' to you? (Only if you are green about the gills).
The electronics suit the Manufacturers so they can control you and the product. The 'Green' marketing suits the Manufacturer's AND the Govt as they get to tax you on your purchase, so the more often you buy a new vehicle then the more revenue they get from you. The recycling industry gets to profit from the near zero value of your highly depreciated worthless nasty old 'asset'.
what does the consumer get? Bloody seen coming and fleeced by all and sundry, thats what.
Can anyone seriously try and convince me that my 'carbon footprint' (snotty bureaucrat babble) is smaller if I buy and run new so-called 'Green' vehicles, spending a fortune I don't have while I am at it?
If I ran my so-called dirty, smelly, polluting pariah of a Transit diesel engine (and the van it is in) for another 15-years, for sure it'd create (a bit) more pollution than a shiny new electronic gadget controlled van. But not when you take into account that by keeping my existing van going I'm not needing all the resources to keep making and disposing of a new vehicle every few years.
Mfrs WANT and Govts NEED me to spend on new vehicles (and no doubt the former pushes the willing latter to keep making it harder and more expensive to run an older vehicle that does not line their pockets) - I don't need them - I'm quite happy with my dumb slow thing that doesn't need me to go to a Boffin with a laptop every time it needs any maintenance, thank you.
Add the big squeeze on going ever-slower on our roads, and a fast high-bhp vehicle becomes an ever-more irrelevant and expensive non-requirement IMO. Its all a con-job to liberate more money indirectly by convincing the consumer to be a willing spender and a willing tax victim.
But I suppose that if everyone thought like me the Economy would be in worse bother cos Consumer Spending would plummet.
I do think though that if I had the time, space and money I'd be getting a couple of older decent nick vehicles salted away for future use before they get 'classic' and expensive. I can see that before too much longer affordable motoring will be a thing of the past, once all the non-electronic vehicles disappear off the Used market, and we are left with unreliable over-complex used nightmares, or bend over, cave in and have to buy a new car just so it'll be reliable for the Warranty period, then chuck it away when it (as programmed) breaks. Wait for it, and before long you'll be PAYING for the 'responsible disposal and recycling' of your rubbish used vehicle under more guise of 'saving the planet'.... that another trick that's too good for the Civil Service Suits and Govt's to let slide.
As usual, we are all being royally screwed and HAD - and it ain't sheer coincidence - its 'engineered' that way.
Think I'm :wacko::wacko::wacko: ? Wait n see.
G.
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you could go pre 1960 then mot exempt and not have to pay road tax as well.
as is i dont now .
mot exempt and disabled road tax ideal.
buy diesel in spain try not to buy much in uk. use m,bike in summer shame i cant bring aload of petrol back ha ha .
its only a game . bit like snakes and ladders .
mind fuel costs and mpg arent always the be all.
mine does less mpg than many but i can get it back other ways . like being able to bring lots beer and wine back so i dont pay uk prices .
then take dried tinned food away in winter so i dont pay high eu costs .
i still believe eu is dearer for many things .
mind should be cheaper this winter . 1.40 e to the pound should be good .
as is i dont now .
mot exempt and disabled road tax ideal.
buy diesel in spain try not to buy much in uk. use m,bike in summer shame i cant bring aload of petrol back ha ha .
its only a game . bit like snakes and ladders .
mind fuel costs and mpg arent always the be all.
mine does less mpg than many but i can get it back other ways . like being able to bring lots beer and wine back so i dont pay uk prices .
then take dried tinned food away in winter so i dont pay high eu costs .
i still believe eu is dearer for many things .
mind should be cheaper this winter . 1.40 e to the pound should be good .
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Love new cars and Landrovers, have both and a newish motorhome.
Wouldn't go back to old unless it was a series Landrover.
Don't buy them to impress neighbours, actually don't give a tosh what they think. They for my enjoyment and mine alone.
Wouldn't go back to old unless it was a series Landrover.
Don't buy them to impress neighbours, actually don't give a tosh what they think. They for my enjoyment and mine alone.
pheasantplucker
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Transit 2.2l 6 gear Chausson low profile giving 28.5mpg for a couple of years now. Recently just on 50 mile motorway and A road local trips, but hasn't been reset since going to France.
Will reset the trip computer when we go on a longer holiday.
Will reset the trip computer when we go on a longer holiday.
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I'm driving a Bailey Approach 745, I have just come back from Cornwall via Hereford towing a motorbike on a trailer. Stuck it on cruise control at a true 50 to 53mph and got 32 mpg