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[tidewatcher]

In the practical world nothing is guaranteed to fix the problem. The point is the vaccine is by far the best option available to make the most impact on the problem. To not take up the best option available is an odd decision given the alternatives not only to the individuals possible health outcome but also to the opening up of the economy and our "freedoms".......

 

[wildebus]

What if the smoker was the bestest person that ever lived and had cured cancer and that and the other was a Tony Blair type

All this talk about who gets the last bed, etc reminds me of the type of interviews that Microsoft do (or at least did back in the 90's/00's) - cavern filling up, only can rescue one person out of the two left. And ballon sinking and need to loose some weight to save everyone on board - who do you throw overboard?
Don't know the right answer as after being asked the same questions by three different interviewers the same day told the last one they need to co-ordinate better (didn't get the job funnily enough ).

 

[Haaamster]

All this talk about who gets the last bed, etc reminds me of the type of interviews that Microsoft do (or at least did back in the 90's/00's) - cavern filling up, only can rescue one person out of the two left. And ballon sinking and need to loose some weight to save everyone on board - who do you throw overboard?
Don't know the right answer as after being asked the same questions by three different interviewers the same day told the last one they need to co-ordinate better (didn't get the job funnily enough ).

The one who didn't have the injection

 

[yorkslass]

Not everyone that makes the choice not to have the vaccine will have an impact because most will not end up in hospital. Just as those that have chosen to take the vaccine will not all end up outwith the hospital.
No guarantees. Therefore choices should still be respected while we still have a few left.
However if it was guaranteed the vaccine will fix the problem, then that would make this a totally different discussion..
It would be selfish, uncaring and not very sensible to refuse.

I'm struggling to accept how some care workers have refused the vaccine....allegedly 20%. They are looking after the most vulnerable, but at the same time go home to their families. I don't see how that fits in with a caring ethos.
Something else I don't understand......they go into the homes everyday, but many of the same homes won't let a family member in to visit a loved one.

 

[izwozral]

I'm struggling to accept how some care workers have refused the vaccine....allegedly 20%. They are looking after the most vulnerable, but at the same time go home to their families. I don't see how that fits in with a caring ethos.
Something else I don't understand......they go into the homes everyday, but many of the same homes won't let a family member in to visit a loved one.

If it wasn't for the fact there would be a shortage of staff, I would sack those that don't have the jab without a valid reason.

As for the last point Sue, I don't understand it either, it is a very warped logic that came up with that idea.

 

[Fazerloz]

The people staying in care homes and their families should insist they do not want staff who haven't had the vaccine near them. The thought they might lose their jobs could well change their mind.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

The people staying in care homes and their families should insist they do not want staff who haven't had the vaccine near them. The thought they might lose their jobs could well change their mind.

I agree 100%

Residents in care homes need to be looked after by other people, often close and personal contact is required.

Therefore a no brainer. Vaccine or don't do this job.

But, as stated elsewhere, massive shortage of carers.
A catch 22 situation?

 

[st3v3]

Not everyone ...........

If you have had the vaccine and end up in ICU with CV is there anything you could have chosen to do differently to avoid that?

No.

If you don't have the vaccine and end up in ICU with CV is there anything you could have chosen to do differently to try and avoid that?

Yes, you could have chosen to take the vaccine. That's the difference.

You seem to have some weird reason to not have the vaccine.

However if it was guaranteed the vaccine will fix the problem, then that would make this a totally different discussion..

I'm not convinced you'd have a different view. But hey ho.

They are looking after the most vulnerable, but at the same time go home to their families. I don't see how that fits in with a caring ethos.

If it wasn't for the fact there would be a shortage of staff, I would sack those that don't have the jab without a valid reason.

The people staying in care homes and their families should insist they do not want staff who haven't had the vaccine near them. The thought they might lose their jobs could well change their mind.

Current thinking is that you can be vaccinated and still get the virus, and still pass it on. All the vaccine does is stop you getting ill. So staff having it makes no difference to the risk to the residents.

I actually think the opposite, it's wrong that we are vaccinating young healthy people ahead of older CEV people.

 

[mark61]

If it wasn't for the fact there would be a shortage of staff, I would sack those that don't have the jab without a valid reason.

As for the last point Sue, I don't understand it either, it is a very warped logic that came up with that idea.

Why not those with a valid reason?

 

[Fazerloz]

If you have had the vaccine and end up in ICU with CV is there anything you could have chosen to do differently to avoid that?

No.

If you don't have the vaccine and end up in ICU with CV is there anything you could have chosen to do differently to try and avoid that?

Yes, you could have chosen to take the vaccine. That's the difference.

You seem to have some weird reason to not have the vaccine.



I'm not convinced you'd have a different view. But hey ho.







Current thinking is that you can be vaccinated and still get the virus, and still pass it on. All the vaccine does is stop you getting ill. So staff having it makes no difference to the risk to the residents.

I actually think the opposite, it's wrong that we are vaccinating young healthy people ahead of older CEV people.

No but it makes more get the vaccine.

 

[st3v3]

No but it makes more get the vaccine.

How?

 

[sparrks]

What I proposed is that if 2 people both need the last ventilator in the hospital the one which refused the Vaccine should come 2nd

The person with the greatest chance of survival should get the 'only' ventilator

 

[izwozral]

Why not those with a valid reason?

Because it would be in breach of the Equality Act.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

Why not those with a valid reason?

Good point.
But one which will be invalidated if it's eventually proven that the vaccination can also reduce the risk of disease transmission from the vaccinated person.
However, the jury is still waiting on a verdict for that one.

 

[mark61]

Good point.
But one which will be invalidated if it's eventually proven that the vaccination can also reduce the risk of disease transmission from the vaccinated person.
However, the jury is still waiting on a verdict for that one.

Exactly.
If/when we get to that point. Until that point, it's probably against the equality act.

 

[trevskoda]

Fear is good it makes you careful.

Your right as today I was wiring up my new 10 k/watt electric shower to a live terminal without switching off the power, I felt like a ww2 bomb disposal officer.

 

[izwozral]

Good point.
But one which will be invalidated if it's eventually proven that the vaccination can also reduce the risk of disease transmission from the vaccinated person.
However, the jury is still waiting on a verdict for that one.

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[izwozral]

Exactly.
If/when we get to that point. Until that point, it's probably against the equality act.

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[trevskoda]

AS for care workers getting the vaccine, sure they can still pass the c/19 on, it just stops them getting it as bad.

 

[Fazerloz]

How?

If it came down to a choice of job or vaccine I think many would then choose to have the vaccine like they would if it was the difference between been able to board a plane for hols or not.