Fuel duty rises: budget small print

[Sydwal]

The OP stated that they hadn't seen anywhere reporting a detail of the budget, as I pointed out it was reported on by the BBC, now you say this is not to be trusted, this is maybe the most comical post I've read on this forum all year.

 

[Sydwal]

Oh, I think that's a little on the harsh side. You can absolutely trust the BBC.
For example, you can trust them to be massively biased.

Boom!

 

[Fisherman]

I never said they were lying. I said they cannot be trusted as a source. Like every other media outlet they get things wrong, they get things right. And like many organisations, they have a track record of bias and inventing things. They are not the BBC of even 15-20 years ago. This stuff isn't hard, Fishy.

This is what you stated regarding the bbc article taken directly from the budget speech.

Any BBC source is not to be trusted. Full stop.

If you don’t trust an individual or an organisation it’s because you reckon they are not being truthful or unreliable, and if they are not being truthful that’s because they are lying.

Here’s the definition of trusted

regarded as reliable or truthful.

By definition and by insinuation you did state they were lying or unreliable on this instance and in all instances FULL STOP.
As for their source, it came directly from the budget speech which is in the common domain. What the BBC reported was accurate, and can be checked by reference to the budget.
So what the BBC reported was reliable, and honest, FULL STOP.

Ye you’re right this stuff isn’t hard.

 

[Fisherman]

No offence that's so out of touch Barry.

You mean you don’t agree with Barry, so if someone does not agree with you they’re out of touch. Millions of people must be out of touch.

 

[runnach]

This is what you stated regarding the bbc article taken directly from the budget speech.

Any BBC source is not to be trusted. Full stop.

If you don’t trust an individual or an organisation it’s because you reckon they are not being truthful or unreliable, and if they are not being truthful that’s because they are lying or unreliable.

Here’s the definition of trusted

regarded as reliable or truthful.

By definition and by insinuation you did state they were lying or unreliable on this instance and in all instances FULL STOP.
As for their source, it came directly from the budget speech which is in the common domain. What the BBC reported was accurate, and can be checked by reference to the budget. FULL STOP.

Obviously Bill has not viewed the new BBC News corporate image.

 

[Fisherman]

Obviously Bill has not viewed the new BBC News corporate image.

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Oh really

 

[maingate]

You mean you don’t agree with Barry, so if someone does not agree with you they’re out of touch. Millions of people must be out of touch.

But not the estimated 600,000 who have cancelled their TV Licence.

 

[trevskoda]

But not the estimated 600,000 who have cancelled their TV Licence.

You need a licence for one.

 

[mistericeman]

You need a licence for one.

I know..... Ludicrous isn't it....

It should've ONLY be opt IN if you want to listen to their stories...

Not forced onto everyone regardless.... However...

Tide is changing and hopefully things will correct themselves eventually.

 

[maingate]

Seems like nobody has noticed that energy prices will go even higher. Well, they have to find that £28 Billion somewhere to fund the improvements to the National Grid.*

* That's the same National Grid linked to earlier in this thread, who said that everything was just fine and dandy.

 

[colinm]

Seems like nobody has noticed that energy prices will go even higher. Well, they have to find that £28 Billion somewhere to fund the improvements to the National Grid.*

* That's the same National Grid linked to earlier in this thread, who said that everything was just fine and dandy.

No it isn't £28bn to fund the electricity grid, it's 18bn to fund upgrades to the gas network and £10bn to upgrade the electric grid, and as I posted before to say the electric grid is not ready ignores the simple fact that businesses are ready when they have planned ahead for a scenario.

 

[maingate]

No it isn't £28bn to fund the electricity grid, it's 18bn to fund upgrades to the gas network and £10bn to upgrade the electric grid, and as I posted before to say the electric grid is not ready ignores the simple fact that businesses are ready when they have planned ahead for a scenario.

You posted a link from National Grid that said they are in a healthy situation. But if you dug deeper into that link, it totally contradicted the main story. Classic gaslighting that the authorities rely on to cover deficiencies. Here is a more comprehensive breakdown of why our energy bills will get even higher.
National Grid is undertaking a comprehensive modernisation of the UK's electricity network, known as "The Great Grid Upgrade," which represents the most significant investment in the country's transmission infrastructure in a generation. This initiative is driven by the need to support the UK's transition to net zero by 2050, accommodate a projected 64% increase in electricity demand by 2035, and integrate vast amounts of renewable energy, particularly offshore wind.
A central component of this effort is a £35 billion investment plan for the 2026-2031 regulatory period, which includes adding 35 gigawatts (GW) of new power generation and storage capacity and 19 Gigavolt-Amps (GVA) to support growing demand from industries like data centers and gigafactories. This plan involves upgrading approximately 2,175 miles (3,500 km) of existing overhead power lines and constructing 25 new substations, with another 15 planned beyond 2031, alongside upgrading 10% of existing substation infrastructure.
To deliver this scale of infrastructure, National Grid has launched the Electricity Transmission Partnership (ETP), a transformative approach that fosters long-term regional collaborations with suppliers, offering them exclusivity based on performance and commitment to expanding their capacity, thereby strengthening the UK supply chain and encouraging local skills development. This is supported by a major framework for High Voltage Direct Current (HVDC) technology, which has secured contracts worth approximately £59 billion (US$76.4 billion) with key suppliers like Siemens Energy, GE Vernova, Hitachi Energy, and Mitsubishi Electric for converters, and with LS Cable & System, NKT Cables, and others for cables.
Specific projects are already underway or in development. The £90 million upgrade of an 82km overhead line between Bramley and Melksham, brought forward to begin in January 2024 and complete by October 2025, will increase the line's capacity by 3,000MVA, helping to accelerate the connection of 175 clean energy projects in South West England and Wales. Another major project proposes a new transmission line from Weston Marsh in Lincolnshire to East Leicestershire, involving 60 km of new high-voltage overhead lines and two new substations, along with the upgrade of 55 km of existing lines. The network is also being strengthened to connect offshore wind farms through projects like Eastern Green Link 3 and 4 (EGL3/EGL4), and to improve connections from Scotland to England via the proposed Carlisle to Newcastle upgrade.
These efforts are part of a broader strategy to build a more resilient, secure, and decarbonised energy system, with the potential to create up to 130,000 jobs and inject up to £11 billion into the economy. The ultimate goal is to ensure the grid can efficiently move clean energy from where it is generated, such as offshore wind farms in the North Sea, to where it is needed across the UK.
National Grid is undertaking a comprehensive modernisation of the UK's electricity network, known as "The Great Grid Upgrade," which represents the most significant investment in the country's transmission infrastructure in a generation. This initiative is driven by the need to support the UK's transition to net zero by 2050, accommodate a projected 64% increase in electricity demand by 2035, and integrate vast amounts of renewable energy, particularly offshore wind.
A central component of this effort is a £35 billion investment plan for the 2026-2031 regulatory period, which includes adding 35 gigawatts (GW) of new power generation and storage capacity and 19 Gigavolt-Amps (GVA) to support growing demand from industries like data centers and gigafactories. This plan involves upgrading approximately 2,175 miles (3,500 km) of existing overhead power lines and constructing 25 new substations, with another 15 planned beyond 2031, alongside upgrading 10% of existing substation infrastructure.
To deliver this scale of infrastructure, National Grid has launched the Electricity Transmission Partnership (ETP), a transformative approach that fosters long-term regional collaborations with suppliers, offering them exclusivity based on performance and commitment to expanding their capacity, thereby strengthening the UK supply chain and encouraging local skills development. This is supported by a major framework for High Voltage Direct Current (HVDC) technology, which has secured contracts worth approximately £59 billion (US$76.4 billion) with key suppliers like Siemens Energy, GE Vernova, Hitachi Energy, and Mitsubishi Electric for converters, and with LS Cable & System, NKT Cables, and others for cables.
Specific projects are already underway or in development. The £90 million upgrade of an 82km overhead line between Bramley and Melksham, brought forward to begin in January 2024 and complete by October 2025, will increase the line's capacity by 3,000MVA, helping to accelerate the connection of 175 clean energy projects in South West England and Wales. Another major project proposes a new transmission line from Weston Marsh in Lincolnshire to East Leicestershire, involving 60 km of new high-voltage overhead lines and two new substations, along with the upgrade of 55 km of existing lines. The network is also being strengthened to connect offshore wind farms through projects like Eastern Green Link 3 and 4 (EGL3/EGL4), and to improve connections from Scotland to England via the proposed Carlisle to Newcastle upgrade.
These efforts are part of a broader strategy to build a more resilient, secure, and decarbonised energy system, with the potential to create up to 130,000 jobs and inject up to £11 billion into the economy. The ultimate goal is to ensure the grid can efficiently move clean energy from where it is generated, such as offshore wind farms in the North Sea, to where it is needed across the UK.

 

[trevskoda]

You posted a link from National Grid that said they are in a healthy situation. But if you dug deeper into that link, it totally contradicted the main story. Classic gaslighting that the authorities rely on to cover deficiencies. Here is a more comprehensive breakdown of why our energy bills will get even higher.
National Grid is undertaking a comprehensive modernisation of the UK's electricity network, known as "The Great Grid Upgrade," which represents the most significant investment in the country's transmission infrastructure in a generation. This initiative is driven by the need to support the UK's transition to net zero by 2050, accommodate a projected 64% increase in electricity demand by 2035, and integrate vast amounts of renewable energy, particularly offshore wind.
A central component of this effort is a £35 billion investment plan for the 2026-2031 regulatory period, which includes adding 35 gigawatts (GW) of new power generation and storage capacity and 19 Gigavolt-Amps (GVA) to support growing demand from industries like data centers and gigafactories. This plan involves upgrading approximately 2,175 miles (3,500 km) of existing overhead power lines and constructing 25 new substations, with another 15 planned beyond 2031, alongside upgrading 10% of existing substation infrastructure.
To deliver this scale of infrastructure, National Grid has launched the Electricity Transmission Partnership (ETP), a transformative approach that fosters long-term regional collaborations with suppliers, offering them exclusivity based on performance and commitment to expanding their capacity, thereby strengthening the UK supply chain and encouraging local skills development. This is supported by a major framework for High Voltage Direct Current (HVDC) technology, which has secured contracts worth approximately £59 billion (US$76.4 billion) with key suppliers like Siemens Energy, GE Vernova, Hitachi Energy, and Mitsubishi Electric for converters, and with LS Cable & System, NKT Cables, and others for cables.
Specific projects are already underway or in development. The £90 million upgrade of an 82km overhead line between Bramley and Melksham, brought forward to begin in January 2024 and complete by October 2025, will increase the line's capacity by 3,000MVA, helping to accelerate the connection of 175 clean energy projects in South West England and Wales. Another major project proposes a new transmission line from Weston Marsh in Lincolnshire to East Leicestershire, involving 60 km of new high-voltage overhead lines and two new substations, along with the upgrade of 55 km of existing lines. The network is also being strengthened to connect offshore wind farms through projects like Eastern Green Link 3 and 4 (EGL3/EGL4), and to improve connections from Scotland to England via the proposed Carlisle to Newcastle upgrade.
These efforts are part of a broader strategy to build a more resilient, secure, and decarbonised energy system, with the potential to create up to 130,000 jobs and inject up to £11 billion into the economy. The ultimate goal is to ensure the grid can efficiently move clean energy from where it is generated, such as offshore wind farms in the North Sea, to where it is needed across the UK.
National Grid is undertaking a comprehensive modernisation of the UK's electricity network, known as "The Great Grid Upgrade," which represents the most significant investment in the country's transmission infrastructure in a generation. This initiative is driven by the need to support the UK's transition to net zero by 2050, accommodate a projected 64% increase in electricity demand by 2035, and integrate vast amounts of renewable energy, particularly offshore wind.
A central component of this effort is a £35 billion investment plan for the 2026-2031 regulatory period, which includes adding 35 gigawatts (GW) of new power generation and storage capacity and 19 Gigavolt-Amps (GVA) to support growing demand from industries like data centers and gigafactories. This plan involves upgrading approximately 2,175 miles (3,500 km) of existing overhead power lines and constructing 25 new substations, with another 15 planned beyond 2031, alongside upgrading 10% of existing substation infrastructure.
To deliver this scale of infrastructure, National Grid has launched the Electricity Transmission Partnership (ETP), a transformative approach that fosters long-term regional collaborations with suppliers, offering them exclusivity based on performance and commitment to expanding their capacity, thereby strengthening the UK supply chain and encouraging local skills development. This is supported by a major framework for High Voltage Direct Current (HVDC) technology, which has secured contracts worth approximately £59 billion (US$76.4 billion) with key suppliers like Siemens Energy, GE Vernova, Hitachi Energy, and Mitsubishi Electric for converters, and with LS Cable & System, NKT Cables, and others for cables.
Specific projects are already underway or in development. The £90 million upgrade of an 82km overhead line between Bramley and Melksham, brought forward to begin in January 2024 and complete by October 2025, will increase the line's capacity by 3,000MVA, helping to accelerate the connection of 175 clean energy projects in South West England and Wales. Another major project proposes a new transmission line from Weston Marsh in Lincolnshire to East Leicestershire, involving 60 km of new high-voltage overhead lines and two new substations, along with the upgrade of 55 km of existing lines. The network is also being strengthened to connect offshore wind farms through projects like Eastern Green Link 3 and 4 (EGL3/EGL4), and to improve connections from Scotland to England via the proposed Carlisle to Newcastle upgrade.
These efforts are part of a broader strategy to build a more resilient, secure, and decarbonised energy system, with the potential to create up to 130,000 jobs and inject up to £11 billion into the economy. The ultimate goal is to ensure the grid can efficiently move clean energy from where it is generated, such as offshore wind farms in the North Sea, to where it is needed across the UK.

Im asleep after reading that, yes my road to main antrim road was dug up a mth or so back to lay a cable from a w turbine to power box across the road.
No turbine as yet but all is ready to go, pity they dont put a water turbine in the river behind my home.

 

[ProDave]

Seems like nobody has noticed that energy prices will go even higher. Well, they have to find that £28 Billion somewhere to fund the improvements to the National Grid.*

* That's the same National Grid linked to earlier in this thread, who said that everything was just fine and dandy.

Yes more LIES by politicians.

Several, including the PM have stood up and told us the only way to bring electricity prices down is to build more wind farms.

The latest Price cap change is now putting gas DOWN (because wholesale prices have reduced) and putting electricity UP because of the added costs to connect all these new wind farms,. Martin Lewis detailed it very well in one of his recent emails.

So we are being TOLD more wind farms = cheaper electricity, and the reality is it means more expensive electricity. That by any definition is a LIE.

Then the 2 main parties wonder why people have lost trust in them and want something completely different.

 

[runnach]

Scotland is a net exporter of electricity. In 2023, approximately 33.8% of the electricity generated in Scotland was exported, amounting to about 13.9 TWh to England and Wales and 2.0 TWh to Northern Ireland. This indicates that Scotland generates more electricity than it needs but also exports a significant portion to other regions.

And yet certain areas of Scotland pay more in electricity/gas costs than counterparts in other areas out with Scotland. Seems rather unfair to me.

 

[barryd]

No offence that's so out of touch Barry.

PMSL! I fear its you that is out of touch.

The BBC is under way more scrutiny than most media platforms. for example.

Ofcom regulation (independent UK media regulator)
Editorial guidelines stricter than most commercial outlets
Mandatory right of reply, corrections, and transparency rules
Parliamentary oversight and FOI requests

These external checks make it harder for the BBC to get away with sloppy or ideological coverage. Whether someone sees bias or not, these mechanisms are real and enforceable. The Trump fiasco is a prime example which is why its not typical and why I think it can't possibly have been deliberate. No way were they ever getting away with that one.

Whatever someone thinks of the BBC, it’s one of the most regulated news organisations in the world.

But hey!! If you disagree please do tell us where you get your news from that you consider more trustworthy than the BBC. I can't wait to hear this one. Lets have some specific names though.

 

[Sydwal]

PMSL! I fear its you that is out of touch.

The BBC is under way more scrutiny than most media platforms. for example.

Ofcom regulation (independent UK media regulator)
Editorial guidelines stricter than most commercial outlets
Mandatory right of reply, corrections, and transparency rules
Parliamentary oversight and FOI requests

These external checks make it harder for the BBC to get away with sloppy or ideological coverage. Whether someone sees bias or not, these mechanisms are real and enforceable. The Trump fiasco is a prime example which is why its not typical and why I think it can't possibly have been deliberate. No way were they ever getting away with that one.

Whatever someone thinks of the BBC, it’s one of the most regulated news organisations in the world.

But hey!! If you disagree please do tell us where you get your news from that you consider more trustworthy than the BBC. I can't wait to hear this one. Lets have some specific names though.

Two examples from yesterday alone - 1: A BBC presenter directly saying that the leader of a political party 'has a relationship with Hitler', and 2: The way Question Time was conducted last night, let's leave it at that.

But hey, I'm done with this - I actually joined this forum for the app and for some banter around vanlife, not for heated political debate. You're either clued in or you're not about the media so let's agree to disagree or I'll probably say something I more than likely won't regret.

 

[Sydwal]

Obviously Bill has not viewed the new BBC News corporate image.

View attachment 148002

Love it.

 

[Sydwal]

You mean you don’t agree with Barry, so if someone does not agree with you they’re out of touch. Millions of people must be out of touch.

We'll see at the next election won't we.

 

[Geek]

May never happen. We could have a different Government by then (if you listen to the rumours).

I think there is a good chance of a different prime minister, so strictly speaking a new government, but still the same old, same old pink tory government we have now.