Fuel duty rises: budget small print

[colinm]

Big problem with EVs is the devastation of seabeds and kids digging for chems which is way wrong, when the salt alloy batteries hit the market then things will change big time, clean reusable 3 mins to 80% charge and 6 mins to full charge and a 900 mile range plus 30 year life span we are then on a winner.

Na batteries are available right now 'off the shelf' for domestic and van use, for automobile use they have already entered mass production, helped by the fact they can be made on LFP production lines.
So what are the big advantages?
Well they can be charged and discharged at much lower temperatures than LFP, and they are a few pence cheaper to produce, and .............well that's about it, there are also considerable disadvantages, they don't have the energy density of Li batteries and the discharge curve is similar to LA.
Compared to LFP they will make no differance to seabed mining or child exploitation(because there isn't any on LFP), they don't charge any faster, offer anymore range, or last any longer than LFP at present. That's not to say that in the future someone will find a 'magic fairy dust' (or Sidhe dust for Trev) which will significantly improve them, but the same applies to Lithium.

 

[mark61]

Na batteries are available right now 'off the shelf' for domestic and van use, for automobile use they have already entered mass production, helped by the fact they can be made on LFP production lines.
So what are the big advantages?
Well they can be charged and discharged at much lower temperatures than LFP, and they are a few pence cheaper to produce, and .............well that's about it, there are also considerable disadvantages, they don't have the energy density of Li batteries and the discharge curve is similar to LA.
Compared to LFP they will make no differance to seabed mining or child exploitation(because there isn't any on LFP), they don't charge any faster, offer anymore range, or last any longer than LFP at present. That's not to say that in the future someone will find a 'magic fairy dust' (or Sidhe dust for Trev) which will significantly improve them, but the same applies to Lithium.

Not so sure Trev means Na batteries though?

 

[colinm]

Not so sure Trev means Na batteries though?

Na/Sodium/Salt.

 

[mark61]

Na/Sodium/Salt.

That's true, but is it not the case that when using the term Na battery, people are generally not referring to a Salt alloy battery.

Different terms reflecting the different technology.

 

[Drover]

Idiot governments. They need to watch Landman and get in with the drug barons...

 

[trevskoda]

Fact is it is not going to get sorted in the next 4 years, half of GB would require digging of trenches to lay cables as thick a elephants trunk in every street/highway to carry the ampage required if every one wanted a charge point at home.
Look how long its taken just to get fibre broadband in some places, never mind at least 3 more nuclear power stations on line, wont happen.

 

[colinm]

Fact is it is not going to get sorted in the next 4 years, half of GB would require digging of trenches to lay cables as thick a elephants trunk in every street/highway to carry the ampage required if every one wanted a charge point at home.
Look how long its taken just to get fibre broadband in some places, never mind at least 3 more nuclear power stations on line, wont happen.

Here are the 'facts' from National Grid.

Can the UK grid cope with the extra demand from electric cars? | National Grid

www.nationalgrid.com

 

[trevskoda]

Here are the 'facts' from National Grid.

Can the UK grid cope with the extra demand from electric cars? | National Grid

www.nationalgrid.com

Good luck with that over here, no mission, no one bar a few want them or there drivways dug up to put the charge points in, mate and his next door have it, not one in our street, and ones at street outlets are having the copper cables cut and sold for scrap.

 

[RSD7a]

Here's a way round the whole fuel duty thing

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[izwozral]

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[Sydwal]

It was mentioned on BBC Newsnight.

Not a good source.

 

[Fisherman]

Not a good source.

And what is a good source. ?

 

[mark61]

 

[r4dent]

never mind at least 3 more nuclear power stations on line, wont happen.

Other energy sources are available.

 

[r4dent]

And what is a good source. ?

H.P.
“La sauce HP est un mélange des fruits et des épices orientaux. Elle est absolument pur et ne contient aucun préservatif artificiel”.

On t'other side o' Pennines 'Endos

 

[colinm]

Not a good source.

And yet they where one of the very few sources to actually mention it, I think that makes it a better source of info than any that didn't bother to mention it, or maybe where so ill informed didn't even know about it.

 

[trevskoda]

Other energy sources are available.

Still short though to cope as yet.

 

[colinm]

That official source about the National Grid seems to be just more gaslighting from the authorities.

What Mr Millipede MP is not telling anyone is that the three new Gas powered Power Stations now being constructed (one is already online, the second is under commissioning as we speak) will save his job (and his bacon) as we have been teetering on the edge of 'greyouts' and possible 'blackouts' for a while. Meanwhile, the National Grid is in urgent need of maintenance and enlarging. You may remember that not long ago there was a Political row about new power lines being constructed and the conservationists wanted them buried. The improvements were somehow needed a few years ago but you would not know that by reading your link. As I said, gaslighting and lies.

Maybe you need to understand how business works, for long term generation there is constant investment, be that power stations or grid connections, to say that the grid isn't ready for EV's because a powerline which is needed sometime in the future is in planning is plain not correct.
We are planning on going to the Shetlands next year, the fuel for this is not in our van, I don't suppose it's even out of the ground, does this mean we will not be able to get there?
It is correct that the last government just wrung their hands over projects like new atomic power stations and grid connections, the present government has decided they will steamroller these through by whatever means necessary.

 

[trevskoda]

Maybe you need to understand how business works, for long term generation there is constant investment, be that power stations or grid connections, to say that the grid isn't ready for EV's because a powerline which is needed sometime in the future is in planning is plain not correct.
We are planning on going to the Shetlands next year, the fuel for this is not in our van, I don't suppose it's even out of the ground, does this mean we will not be able to get there?
It is correct that the last government just wrung their hands over projects like new atomic power stations and grid connections, the present government has decided they will steamroller these through by whatever means necessary.

I cant see how in 4 years all will be sorted, as in every street having thick power cables to cope with the home after teatime brigade wanting to charge up.
Then there are the folk who live in streets with no pathway & the tower block brigade, yes i know the gov have been talking about under footpath cable trenches but thats all it is talk, would takes years for this to happen, and it wont, gov has not got the funds or time to sort it.

 

[colinm]

I cant see how in 4 years all will be sorted, as in every street having thick power cables to cope with the home after teatime brigade wanting to charge up.
Then there are the folk who live in streets with no pathway & the tower block brigade, yes i know the gov have been talking about under footpath cable trenches but thats all it is talk, would takes years for this to happen, and it wont, gov has not got the funds or time to sort it.

Lets be clear on this, in 4 years time not everyone will be driving EV's, it's not until over 10 years before there are more EV's on the road than ICE, and it will be long after that before there are close to 100% EV's. Even then not everyone will be charging up everyday, and in the unlikely event every single person in the country plugged in at the same time all new chargers are designed to limit the charge if the grid is overloaded.
As for those who can't charge at home, well I have no idea how that will pan out, but someone will need to figure something out in the next 15 years.