Filling UK gas bottle in Europe

People with qualifications are often short sighted you say, yep you are correct and people without qualifications can also be short sighted, the practical difference is the person with the qualification is the one allowed by society to practise legally in many trades and professions. If someone wants to do the job, then do the prescribed training.
It was usually because of mistakes and accidents that many overseeing bodies were set up.To set a minimum standard.
The setting up Guilds and Professional Bodies is surely what made GB manufacturers of high quality products.
 
a myth . it was set up to control workers ,then when the owners of companies realised they had to pay more wages to these people they moved the work abroad. so in turn it was the downfall of british industry. as it is british industry only produced high quality within the british empire others produced high quality in other empires . we used to laugh at others but they are still producing . uk is full of qualified people with no jobs to suit their qualifications and they think they are too good to do other menial tasks. thats the downfall of the british empire and its over qualified waste of space workers . many others come to this country to do work british workers think is below them .
 
Not a myth, most workers before the Industrial Revolution were employed in agriculture. When the Industrial Revolution got underway British industry realised that to keep ahead of the competition they had to keep raising standards, hence the Guilds. The GermansFrench did the same and for a while Britain had high quality and standards and of course Dark Satanic Mills and conditions that went with them.
I agree there are a lot of people qualified for jobs that don't exist these days. I have just been looking at a private hospital consultants lists, 90% were trained in mostly 3rd World Universities.
So why could not some of the misqualified have been trained here instead ?
Could it be that it costs £250,000 to train a Doc. get it done overseas instead.
Likewise how can the average worker here compete wage wise with those in Asia.Result Manufacturing jobs have gone, service jobs created, so people train for the service jobs. Big question these and I have only small slow 3 dongle (so to speak)
 
the dreams stayed purple.
i use an orange dongle here .
free wifi now when abroad with my new antenna . cant afford the dongle .
watch out for the china invasion , had a ride in a chinese mini last winter in maroc better quality than german.
the satanic mills disapeared after the first world warwhen mill owners couldnt get wool and cotton back to uk. they set up he factories abroad . but never told workers just blamed cheap labour abroad. uk workers thought they had jobs fr life but that in itself helped the fall of uk industry. and when we broke up the empire our goods werent good enough to stand the test of time. the facts are out there . when the uk workers wake up we will be able to compete again . as a past employer i know its hard to get good workers even the so called qualified are useless. (well most).
 
Yes, this is getting back to my concerns - often expressed in these sort of threads - about technical advice or short cuts or illegal or dangerous practices being actively promoted in public without the writer giving the slightest thought about the skills or commonsense or technical ability of all or any of the potential readers.
It is called duty of care that we owe to everyone else, and you can often gauge by their reaction to being pulled up for it that they really don't give a damn what might happen if someone does take their advice at face value and something does go wrong. Some bluster and some take their bat and ball and go home and some just run off at the mouth in an effort to cloud the issue.
 
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and i thought it stared by an innocent enquiry about can you fill uk bottles in europe. been an interesting journey .thought thats what it was about we talk others make their own mind up . its open for all not to get involved in anything that they dont like . or say something . are you clouding the issue.
the original question was answered on the first page and i do believe that the original request got solved. wasnt till the second page that things started to vear away from the first question . but never mind .
 
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Remember, those of us lucky to have practical skills involving the use of both the brain and hands at the same time are in the minority and getting smaller!

I would rather employ someone who can DO a job rather than have paper qualifications.

Sadly, those that have the skills are becoming rare. Especially those of us who have a range of skills. Generally I have had the attitude "If they can do it, so can I"

A lot of times I've had to learn new skills because I haven't had the money to employ someone, therefor I have a greater range of transferable skills. But I'm also cautious through experience, if I have to do something new, I'll read up or ask questions first before attempting a new task.

Somethings can be bloody dangerous if done incorrectly, but perfectly safe if the correct procedures are followed.

It is our life experiences that will hopefully guide us.

Unfortunately in a way, modern expectancies mean that most people don't feel that they have to do things for themselves and that you have to get a qualification in something.

The repairs to the simple bicycle (even the more complex ones are still simple) are beyond most peoples capability because in this society, most haven't had to learn basic mechanical skills. You either get a new one or send it to a so called specialist.

I had to learn the hard way, if I wanted a bike, I would make a Bitza from whatever I could scrounge.

Necessity is the Mother of invention.

Still, kids aren't taught to touch things in school, lathes and similar are too dangerous, same with chemical experiments etc You don't get far in life without burning your fingers once or twice or getting a few cuts etc.

Any way, it's probably made me into the grumpy, bitter and twisted old git I am now!!

I must be getting old as I've started complaining to the council about things.............
 
Its a fact that when British Industry led the world we had far less people going to University, because only the upper classes could afford it. The overwhelming majority had to go straight to work, however clever they were. So we had all these clever kids going straight into productive industry at the peak of their learning ability. Nowadays most of the clever kids are creamed off to go to university where they are trained in non productive occupations....
 
have to disagree with you bernard ...the clever kids go to university but they are 'educated ' ... the vast majority are not TRAINED ; exactly the opposite of germany , for example

most university graduates have no useful skill in my experience , they prefer to study easy subjects , chemistry /physics/maths departments are on the decrease

france is starting to go the same way ; last year they asked university students what they wanted to be when they graduated
85% said they wanted to be civil servants ; words fail me
 
A number of years a go I inherited an IT team to undertake a fitout of a Swiss Bank.

They were proudly introduced as the most highly qualified team in London. which they probably were, but what a nightmare, no practical experience at all.

They wrote beautiful meaningless reports and graphs but couldn't grasp that the floor has to be down BEFORE you start installing equipment etc.

When I was in Telecomms R&D I was told I had a new team member, not chosen by me but by personnel dept (he happened to be of Nigerian descent, not a problem as I've worked all around the world in Nigeria) but the "Obligatory" Ethnic minority.

Took him 6 yrs to pass an ordinary degree in electronics, when shown actual components and soldering iron, he had no idea.

Everything had been theoretical in his degree and hadn't touched components!!

I did a fantastic apprenticeship over 4 yrs and did everything in electronics and telecomms inc 4 months on the Craft school, filing blocks of metal, bending sheets of tin (still got my own toolbox I made then in 68) machines, basic plumbing etc

They could and did send you around the world and would be expected to fix anything that was thrown at you.

I taught at the local college for a year or so, when I reflected that I went to college for 3 months at a time compressing a years work into just the three months I was told that no one could study like that. There wasn't an option, you failed, you were kicked out!! The rest of the time was apprentice training school from 8-5.

Hard but a great life skill, sadly missing in the UK these days

Nowadays I know that work is submitted for marking, returned until good then accepted as a final work. Extra time is given to submit work if you fall behind for whatever reason.

I have experience of Graduates that cannot complete a task by a deadline because all along the way they are never pressurised to do it by a date.

Not all students are like this, some work very well and get the work in by the due date, but those who fail to achieve the given standard are "helped" along the way. They get the same qualification as those who do in time.

So qualifications are being debased and therefore become more meaningless.

PS. Colleges get additional funding the more PASS their qualifications - Funny that?
 
This is how bottles are filled where I've been for the last month.

I've just had a month in a rented RV in the USA. New Mexico and Florida with a road trip between them travelling through Texas, Louisiana, Mississipi, and Alabama. In all these States, but not Mississippi or Alabama, I saw and took photographs of propane filling stations.

In addition to filling the built in propane tank in my RV, I occasionally watched bottles being refilled. On one occasion I chatted to and questioned the guy doing the filling of a bottle but he grew irritated because I seemed to be a critic of his method of filling bottles and I didn't continue the conversation with him.

It's a simple system. Pop the bottle on the scales. Connect the filler through this or that adapter, fill the bottle until the scales go click and stop filling. My questions about 80% cut off valves, accidents, legality, did he take into account the weight of the filling hose, and I would have gone on, were met with blank and irritated looks. I was complicating a very simple, safe process. When he was becoming irritated he even said, “You ever hear of any accidents, fella?” I hadn't.

Here's one in New Mexico. I've got plenty more.

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Couple of points to add

Can't fill your own bottles in the US, even if they are mounted permanently on the rig. Just no such thing as autogas bowsers - and why would there be when gasoline is so cheap.

As far as I know ALL bottles in the US do have 80% valves on them but even then, on my fixed tank anyway, they still open the liquid tell-tale bleeder valve as a backup and whichever one operates first is the signal to stop.

The dedicated propane sales outlets (no good asking for gas or LPG if you want propane) also have scales for the small bottles perhaps as a belts and braces if the overfill valve doesn't work.

Have to pick your opportunity to get refilled if it is at regular fuel stations because there is usually only one attendant on duty and she won't leave the office if fuel sales are busy.

“You ever hear of any accidents, fella?” I hadn't.

and the reason?

Because they are all trained and certified to do the job.

(Damn - one time I could use a smilieface, I forgot that I have wiped them all from this forum and they don't display)
 
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I want this much danger please.

Come on guys, let's not dig in here. No one is completely right, or wrong. You want to minimise risk, use only trained personel, licenced premises etc. Fine, do it then. On the other hand you are a grown up willing to accept any consequences of your actions, have some degree of ability and intelligence not to endanger anyone else. Go ahead, do it! What is apparent here is the perception of risk that each of us find acceptable. Refilling lpg cylinders is not diffusing a WW2 bomb, nor is it a walk in the park (people die doing both). Some of the H&S laws were resisted but now make complete sense, like wearing seatbelts. On the other hand I wanted to heat up a microwavable burger in a garage the other day. They said the couldn't have one, you guessed it, in case a customer burnt themselves on hot food. So, no risk (apart from choking) equals a stone cold meal. A possiblility of getting burnt means a hot meal at least.
**** ! Let's not base all of our H&S laws on the lowest common denominator. If we keep some risk there's always the entertaining prospect of seeing some f**kwit chav remove their genes from the collective pool in a spectacular You Tube download of them trying to microwave their own head.
 

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