English Aires

[Tbear]

At Porthtowan cove there is a really nice car park with toilets. They have overhead bars that prevent anything over a small van size to park. We also have another parking area where the surfers go to park. They too have an overhead bar across. A lot of Campers come but turn around as they cannot park. The locals have aked the Council to remove them as a lot of Campers get turned away. They statement was, if they removed them then the Gipsies might move in and stay permanently. Any comments on this!!!

David & Ann
If the surfers where in there then how would the gipsies get in there, bit short sighted of the council. This is what I am about. trying to put together a case to show we are better for the council, the locals and the enviroment.
Richard

 

[Tbear]

Hi all,the gypsey,hippie type would be my concern if i was a councillor.What could they do to stop people taking over the council parking spot if it was aproved because somewhere down the line it would probably happen,best keep off the subject but it is worth thinking about for future reference.Keep up the good work,is there anything i could put my name to for support ,pertition ect to help,cheers Shawbags (Chris).

Hi Shawbags
If I ever do get to stand in front of a council meeting I am sure they will ask about it. This why I need to find out about the local byelaws on parking and policeing them, Changes in planning permission, Legal limits on stay etc.
Thanks for the offer.
Richard

 

[Tbear]

Europe gets around this problem without any problems - how do they do it? You see Aires for Les Gens de Voyage in France.

Those barriers are a pain in la derriere. They keep me and my money out of communities.

The town we are twinned with has 2 "dumping grounds" and a council camp site.

 

[Kontiki]

While I am in agreement about trying to get some type of aire type of motorhome parking maybe we should start trying to convince motorhome dealers & the few motorhome manufacturers to create aires after all they make their living from us so why don't they give something back. This should be not just having somewhere for their own customers (they can do this if they want as an extra area) but surely they could have space set aside for 1 or 2 motorhomes to park overnight without any charge. It would have to accepted that you can only stay one night & if all the spaces are occupied then you move on. This seems to be a common practice in Germany, we have often stayed at dealers or manufacturers on an area for overnight parking.

Getting some of these places established around the country could then be used to show councils how they would work.

 

[RG1]

I think your on to something there Ed, all dealers have large empty car parks after the shop closes, I suppose security would be there issue as most are gated.

 

[Tbear]

While I am in agreement about trying to get some type of aire type of motorhome parking maybe we should start trying to convince motorhome dealers & the few motorhome manufacturers to create aires after all they make their living from us so why don't they give something back. This should be not just having somewhere for their own customers (they can do this if they want as an extra area) but surely they could have space set aside for 1 or 2 motorhomes to park overnight without any charge. It would have to accepted that you can only stay one night & if all the spaces are occupied then you move on. This seems to be a common practice in Germany, we have often stayed at dealers or manufacturers on an area for overnight parking.

Getting some of these places established around the country could then be used to show councils how they would work.

I think a few do for there customers but this needs to be widened and sponsership needs looking at as well. Look around your motorhome and see how many companies are involved.

 

[defitzi]

english airres

d tnat we contribute

Look-it's quite simple. Councils have been ersuaded that we are like irresponsible gypsies by unadventerous people and caravan site owners and caravan clubs that we only take and contribute nothing Change that perception and we will find it's like other European countries: they will seek our presence and welcome us and our spending power.
Do do your shopping-do tell folk you are a motorhomer -and show them you do contribute and watch the result for if enough or all of do that it will be notice: it will have a good effect!.
In 50 years I've never done my shopping before i left home-all is done wherever-as and when needed.
Oil,petrol, diesel, gas etc the same -if possible!

 

[Deleted member 967]

Hi all,the gypsey,hippie type would be my concern if i was a councillor.What could they do to stop people taking over the council parking spot if it was aproved because somewhere down the line it would probably happen,best keep off the subject but it is worth thinking about for future reference.Keep up the good work,is there anything i could put my name to for support ,pertition ect to help,cheers Shawbags (Chris).

How have the existing Aires at Cambridge and Castlefergus dealt with this percieved problem. Does it even exist in reality? Also Flyde don't seem to think that it is something that is beyond control. I am sure that a charge would put many off and regulation would allow action.

 

[Deleted member 967]

Europe gets around this problem without any problems - how do they do it? You see Aires for Les Gens de Voyage in France.

Those barriers are a pain in la derriere. They keep me and my money out of communities.

The British model of traveller sites is to try to get them from travelling and get them to settle in ghettos for caravan dwellers. They have the same problems as we have to follow the nomadic lifestyle.

 

[Tbear]

d tnat we contribute

Look-it's quite simple. Councils have been ersuaded that we are like irresponsible gypsies by unadventerous people and caravan site owners and caravan clubs that we only take and contribute nothing Change that perception and we will find it's like other European countries: they will seek our presence and welcome us and our spending power.
Do do your shopping-do tell folk you are a motorhomer -and show them you do contribute and watch the result for if enough or all of do that it will be notice: it will have a good effect!.
In 50 years I've never done my shopping before i left home-all is done wherever-as and when needed.
Oil,petrol, diesel, gas etc the same -if possible!

Hi Defitzi
If I ever get this off the ground I am sure the best I will get is a trial period so lots of people with that attitude is a must.
Richard

 

[Tbear]

How have the existing Aires at Cambridge and Castlefergus dealt with this percieved problem. Does it even exist in reality? Also Flyde don't seem to think that it is something that is beyond control. I am sure that a charge would put many off and regulation would allow action.

Hi John,

I don' know the Aire at Cambridge. Where is it?

Richard,

 

[Deleted member 967]

Hi John,

I don' know the Aire at Cambridge. Where is it?

Richard,

Sorry got my town wrong after all they are all the same below Scotch Corner. Ha

Canterbury Park and Ride is already an Aires in New Dover Road and that is always kept so clean and tidy. It is not open 7 days a week but when closed you can use the bus park.

Local members of the Motor Caravanners' Club (MCC) approached Carrickfergus Borough Council and, as a result, the Council have installed a motorhome service unit at the Harbour car park and another at Whitehead car park (approx 4 miles in the direction of Larne). Both carparks have easy access and no overnight restictions.

There is also a private Aire at Ambleside.

A lot of good info here, UKMotorhomes.net - UK Motorhome Stopover News

Also on here Motorhome Friendly and Unfriendly Parking - Places which allow overnight camping

John

 

[Fleming]

A lot of municipalities have fraternised with French, German or Italian ones, and a lot of these have 'aires' (France), 'Stellplätze' (Germany) or 'area de sosta' (Italy).
A simple question how they coop with this could enlighten many councils.
Leo

 

[Tbear]

Sorry got my town wrong after all they are all the same below Scotch Corner. Ha

Canterbury Park and Ride is already an Aires in New Dover Road and that is always kept so clean and tidy. It is not open 7 days a week but when closed you can use the bus park.

Local members of the Motor Caravanners' Club (MCC) approached Carrickfergus Borough Council and, as a result, the Council have installed a motorhome service unit at the Harbour car park and another at Whitehead car park (approx 4 miles in the direction of Larne). Both carparks have easy access and no overnight restictions.



There is also a private Aire at Ambleside.

A lot of good info here, UKMotorhomes.net - UK Motorhome Stopover News

Also on here Motorhome Friendly and Unfriendly Parking - Places which allow overnight camping

John

John
I have to forgive you for the wrong town as I did not have our park and ride on the posible site list Good to see the there is more and more Councils are being friendly towards us!
Richard

 

[Tbear]

A lot of municipalities have fraternised with French, German or Italian ones, and a lot of these have 'aires' (France), 'Stellplätze' (Germany) or 'area de sosta' (Italy).
A simple question how they coop with this could enlighten many councils.
Leo

Leo,
Sorry but not sure what you mean? Who do I put the question to and how do I get the answer or what is the answer, do you know?
Richard

 

[Guest]

Twin

Richaard, I think that Leo is possibly referring to Twinning which I mentioned earlier.
Suggest that the councils ask their twinned city how they cope with an Aire.

 

[Tbear]

Richaard, I think that Leo is possibly referring to Twinning which I mentioned earlier.
Suggest that the councils ask their twinned city how they cope with an Aire.

Thanks *****,
Our twin town has two small "motorhome dumps" (Google translation) and a campsite which I think I mentioned to them in my email. However I will make a point of mentioning it any further discussion.
Richard

 

[Fleming]

And if they are afraid an 'aire' could be misused by gipsies; I didn't see, yet, gipsies with a motorhome . Most of them have vans and caravans. An 'aire' should be for motorhome tourists only

 

[Tbear]

And if they are afraid an 'aire' could be misused by gipsies; I didn't see, yet, gipsies with a motorhome . Most of them have vans and caravans. An 'aire' should be for motorhome tourists only

That's the big problem. We have had lots of gipsies with all types of vans. Hope to make the point that the gangs still have a few caravans so they would have to split up to use the Aire. No bad thing eh.

 

[Fleming]

In France, gypsies are not welcome on 'aires'. They have special spots for 'gens de voyage'. Some aires have a sign: 'interdit aux gens de voyages', 'seulement pour camping-cars' or ' s'adresser à la mairie'. Nobody did complain about 'racism'.