Electric vehicles

[JQB]

I think my question has been answered. Thanks to all
As for the vw buzz ,I got told there ain't enough room for a make up bag even though its cute, so that would be a no then. perhaps a 12 mtr RV would be a better option.
As for ICE fuel tanks. I have welded both in the past. A diesel one that split and after rubbing a hard bar of soap into the split to get home. Fill tank with diesel and weld the split up...
Petrol one on the other hand still had fumes in it after a hour on the steam cleaner ,so put it behind garage door and throw some fire at it..it soon goes bang then your good to weld...
ps (don't fill this one with petrol)
It's a long story on why with both tanks so I won't bore you with it..

Fill with wet sand then weld?

 

[GeoffL]

People have died in tesla fires because upon and electrical failure there is no internal door handle to exit the car. Some tripe about having to pull off a door card and pull a cable or some such nonsense from tesla, try that in the dark in a car full of heat and smoke. Think i'll stick to morris minors.

One very important point to mention is that this problem does not only apply to EVs -- it applies to all cars where (ostensibly for security) the internal door handles are detached from the locking mechanism when the door is locked: and it affects some surprisingly old cars. For example, I have a 2009 Qashqai that I didn't realise had this issue until a fault in the entertainment system completely discharged the battery and the only door I could open was the driver's and then only using the key from the outside. Since the windows are electric, I suspect I'd have been trapped in the car if I'd got inside and closed the door
AIUI, the front headrests can be used to break glass to escape, but I've now got a glass breaking hammer in the glovebox!

 

[trevskoda]

One very important point to mention is that this problem does not only apply to EVs -- it applies to all cars where (ostensibly for security) the internal door handles are detached from the locking mechanism when the door is locked: and it affects some surprisingly old cars. For example, I have a 2009 Qashqai that I didn't realise had this issue until a fault in the entertainment system completely discharged the battery and the only door I could open was the driver's and then only using the key from the outside. Since the windows are electric, I suspect I'd have been trapped in the car if I'd got inside and closed the door
AIUI, the front headrests can be used to break glass to escape, but I've now got a glass breaking hammer in the glovebox!

Hence i loved these and sol squillons, still have 4 hidden away.

 

[colinm]

One very important point to mention is that this problem does not only apply to EVs -- it applies to all cars where (ostensibly for security) the internal door handles are detached from the locking mechanism when the door is locked: and it affects some surprisingly old cars. For example, I have a 2009 Qashqai that I didn't realise had this issue until a fault in the entertainment system completely discharged the battery and the only door I could open was the driver's and then only using the key from the outside. Since the windows are electric, I suspect I'd have been trapped in the car if I'd got inside and closed the door
AIUI, the front headrests can be used to break glass to escape, but I've now got a glass breaking hammer in the glovebox!

As I've posted before, must be 20 years ago that a family in Luton where pulling into their garage when a electric fault caused a fire and the doors to lock on their car, it was lucky that a passing nabour saw what happened and smashed the windows to get them out. Their car and house was burnt out.

 

[colinm]

Hence i loved these and sol squillons, still have 4 hidden away.View attachment 138096

AFAIK the Estelle had central locking, so with an electric fault could lock and burn.

 

[colinm]

Jaguar will buy back 3000 2019 I-Pace models due to fire risk

https://insideevs.com/news/742670/jaguar-buying-back-ipace-fire/#:~:text=Jaguar%20will%20reportedly%20buy%20back,seems%20they%20weren't%20enough.

I know two owners of I-Pace, and they would gladly accept an offer from Jaguar as they have had so many faults, meanwhile over 3million Kia and Hyundai ICE vehicles have been recalled due to fire risk, the owners where advised to park them outside until fixed.

 

[trevskoda]

AFAIK the Estelle had central locking, so with an electric fault could lock and burn.

No that was a add on, but the new cars do, then again they are v dubs which give trouble with the heater matrix.

 

[Robmac]

No that was a add on, but the new cars do, then again they are v dubs which give trouble with the heater matrix.

Must admit Trev, the one I bought Julie had no central locking, or electric windows or anything like that. I know how to treat a gal!

It was a brilliant car though.

 

[trevskoda]

Must admit Trev, the one I bought Julie had no central locking, or electric windows or anything like that. I know how to treat a gal!

It was a brilliant car though.

Was nout wrong with them, few things required changing, green heater and vacum hoses & fuel feed lines along with fitting a weller thermostat, 100mm bolts to the door c straps, many good dealers done this before new sale, i put a few round the clock a few times, yes rob you trat the galls well.
Oh and greese the king pins once a mth.

 

[Robmac]

Was nout wrong with them, few things required changing, green heater and vacum hoses & fuel feed lines along with fitting a weller thermostat, 100mm bolts to the door c straps, many good dealers done this before new sale, i put a few round the clock a few times, yes rob you trat the galls well.
Oh and greese the king pins once a mth.

The only change I did to Julie's was put a heat shield next to the fuel line Trev.

I did have great fun in the snow in it one year whilst everyone else was struggling.

 

[Fisherman]

I thought I should copy and paste this post from a currently serving firefighter on this subject matter. I hope some will find their perspective, and information helpful.


EV fires are incredibly rare despite the publicity whenever it occur. Unlike EPPVs ( electric powered personal vehicle) , the technology and safety system in EVs is remarkably good. Most fires services do not have yet any specific equipment to deal with this kind of vehicle fires. Segregation and stopping the fire from spreading is often the only option. Fire blankets, dams and fire suppression spray system mounted on removeable pods are available from various manufacturers but are expensive.
Other ops issues would be water contamination, access to the batteries and release of highly toxic, explosive and flammable vapour.
Another problem occur if the EV has been involved in a RTC. If the battery gets damaged as a result of a high speed crash, the breakdown of the Lithium Ion battery cells (thermal runaway) can lead to a fire. Major issue if someone is physically trapped within the vehicle.
Ops Commander should consider this and, as well as the extrication team, might consider a firefighting element in their risk assessment.
Some sort of respiratory protection system should also be available for the casualties

 

[Fisherman]

Another perspective from a firefighter, this offer a totally different viewpoint. This involves the use of larger EVs used in the construction of HS2

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On the HS2 project at the London end they have started using EV to take tunnel segments and other materials down the tunnel to the TBM. This is meant to be better for the environment over diesel. But when carrying 6 segments at 7 tonne each the battery range is absolutely crap. Therefore they have had to fit charge points in the tunnels. Based on FS advice from London Bridge associates they have now had to fit additional fire curtains to surround the vehicles whilst charging. The theory is you can't put the fire out therefore you use the fire curtain to create a safe passage for workers. They have had problems with over heating batteries.

 

[trevskoda]

The only change I did to Julie's was put a heat shield next to the fuel line Trev.

I did have great fun in the snow in it one year whilst everyone else was struggling.

Exelent in snow Rob.

 

[colinm]

Another perspective from a firefighter, this offer a totally different viewpoint. This involves the use of larger EVs used in the construction of HS2

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It would seem that someone didn't design that correctly, very large EV's are now in use around the world, up to 4,400hp, 625t gross, and 400t capacity are used for mining, there are already BEV trains which can travel up to 55 miles on one charge.

 

[r4dent]

People have died in tesla fires because upon and electrical failure there is no internal door handle to exit the car. Some tripe about having to pull off a door card and pull a cable or some such nonsense from tesla, try that in the dark in a car full of heat and smoke. Think i'll stick to morris minors.

The reason so many people died in the Bradford City stadium fire is that most people tried to get out the same way the went in.

Bradford City stadium fire - Wikipedia

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Of , for any reason, you can't do this in a vehicle emergency there are usually another 6 exits available.

The key to these exit fits all vehicles and costs under £!0.

Most Morris Minor do not have seat belts, so the chances are that you will unconscious whilst you burn to death.


I think I'll stick to my EV with all the modern safety gizmos.

 

[Fisherman]

It would seem that someone didn't design that correctly, very large EV's are now in use around the world, up to 4,400hp, 625t gross, and 400t capacity are used for mining, there are already BEV trains which can travel up to 55 miles on one charge.

Possibly Colin, I don’t know.
But it’s generally accepted that with current technology larger vehicles tend to be almost 100% ice. I would think as technology improves this will change.
The reason these vehicles were used was to limit exhaust fumes within the tunnel environment, I would reckon that in overground sections ice vehicles would be the preferred option. The poster has since retired from the fire service and now works on the HS2 project as a safety officer, therefore he has in depth knowledge of what went on. I simply felt after posting a post generally in line with your beliefs, that it was only fair and incumbent upon me to post this post also.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

Possibly Colin, I don’t know.
But it’s generally accepted that with current technology larger vehicles tend to be almost 100% ice. I would think as technology improves this will change.
The reason these vehicles were used was to limit exhaust fumes within the tunnel environment, I would reckon that in overground sections ice vehicles would be the preferred option. The poster has since retired from the fire service and now works on the HS2 project as a safety officer, therefore he has in depth knowledge of what went on. I simply felt after posting a post generally in line with your beliefs, that it was only fair and incumbent upon me to post this post also.

I wonder if this is why JCB is investing so much time and money into their own Hydrogen engines for their equipment.