Diesel Motor, depreciating asset or not

Les Haro

Guest
Diesel has had its day its a polluter.
Despite the dinosaur thinkers, industry isn't banking on it's future anymore.
Who in their right mind is going to invest in a diesel as a secondhand buy.
All your old diesels are going to end up as statics a lot sooner than was expected, by legislation.
I bought an old petrol and converted it to run on LPG, a friend has imported an electric van and had it converted.
Neither of us are worried about money but we do have an open ended future unlike diesel.
Entering into the market as newbies we made our choices to care about our Eco Footprints as of day one with what knowledge was available.
All vans are a depreciating investment how much are you prepared to loose before you cut and run.
liv-ins are long term (till death, so money isn't an issue) but pension warriors are asset owners who can see just how much is being bleed from their asset.
Who in their right mind is going to move into the MH market now.
 
Diesel cars will be gone before diesel commercials, but your point still applies. There isn’t a single viable commercial van available yet on electric other than for very small distances.

In the short term (5-10 years) many in the industry believe values will be very strong for any Euro 6 or above (when it arrives) used vehicles, especially when London kicks in with its tighter rules. These reports are from commercial vehicle people though not motorhome people.
 
Petrol/Electric Hybrid ?

Similar to the Toyota Prius.

I suggest this as it should be very efficient as the engine (petrol) can perform at best efficiency (Fuel and pollution) when charging the battery bank.

Range is solved by using petrol
Charging battery bank from Electric point also possible

Drawbacks
1 Weight of battery bank
2 Probably on suitable up to 3500kg vehicle weight but who knows

Battery technology is developing at an amazing rate
It maybe that LPG can be use for the engine (or is it a generator ?)
 
Euro 7 is due around late 2020, so Euro 6 vehicles will only have any extra value for 2 or 3 years. I have a Euro 5 car less than 4 years old which will be banished from my nearest city possibly later this year.
Motorhomes are not a good investment in the current environmental rule changing times, but if you want the pleasure that they give you have to pay that price.
 
We have been here before with 2 stroke engines which are now effectively no longer available new. What does that mean for those of us still running 2 stroke motorcycles? The answer is nothing whatsoever. In fact second hand prices are going up rapidly as demand is increased. There are so few left that the government doesn't care any more.

Once particulate levels start to fall in towns as electric takes off then goverments won't be chasing after diesels any more. Diesels produce less CO2 emissions than petrol so still have advantages depending on what is the governments priority.

I'm certainly not worried. If I wanted to drive our Euro 3 van into big cities maybe but I cannot think of anything worse :)

Keith
 
Com diesel engines will go on for a long time so no panic,you will be kept out of citys but that dont bother me.
it will be 2040 before all internal combustion engines stop being made,ill be 82 so if stiil here a warm old folks home will be fine.
Electric will be common place in 10 years so untill then i dont give a jack s-it.
 
2040

trevskoda said:
Com diesel engines will go on for a long time so no panic,you will be kept out of citys but that dont bother me.
it will be 2040 before all internal combustion engines stop being made,ill be 82 so if stiil here a warm old folks home will be fine.
Electric will be common place in 10 years so untill then i dont give a jack s-it.
Click to expand...

Mmm I might be 89
So no motorhome by then
Probably in that great Motorhome in the sky but more likely causing more pollution in the great furnace in hell

The only question is whether it is best to get a newer model now (not talking about the wife !)
Might do another 5 to 8 years.. Prices are rising (again not talking about the wife !)
 
jagmanx said:
Mmm I might be 89
So no motorhome by then
Probably in that great Motorhome in the sky but more likely causing more pollution in the great furnace in hell

The only question is whether it is best to get a newer model now (not talking about the wife !)
Might do another 5 to 8 years.. Prices are rising (again not talking about the wife !)
Click to expand...

Yes and make it the best and last.
 
Diesel isn’t good but once the vehicle has been produced it is worse for the environment to scrap it and buy new so long as it is still functioning okay.

I have no interest in driving my motorhome through city’s so I can’t see a problem. Currently it still complie with the London zone even though it is a Euro 4 engine.

I am new to motorhomes so did consider engines and fuel types and ended up with exactly what I wanted, a 2.7 diesel Merc.

LPG isn’t the future and nor are electric vehicles, certainly not with current technology. The environmental impact of making the batteries that will need replacing at 10 years is huge. LPG, look at the problems Phil has in Scotland, plus stil fossil fuel.

Medium term the future is hybrid like F1 cars although it hasn’t made much impact into the market yet. Arguably it should be hydrogen but the oil companies have too much control for that to happen
 
For cars have never owned a diesel, when I was doing high mileage the diesels weren't very nice, by the time they where I was doing low mileages.
For vans it's different, there are still no viable alternative for a campervan, electric doesn't have the range, and petrol is too expensive.
 
Government now talking of reducing stop date for piston engine to 2030 in line with india and betting france by 5 years.
Now if it were me i would be trying to make this electric cars/vans tec stuff happen on our door step and bring jobs to british workers rather than inport from abroad,wont happen though as china will be world leaders soon.
This if goes ahead is now only 12 years ahead,are we ready for the SHOCK.:lol-053:
 
Internal combustion engines can run on hydrogen, it only produces water as it burns, no nasty gases or particles.

YouTube
 
Admin said:
Internal combustion engines can run on hydrogen, it only produces water as it burns, no nasty gases or particles.

YouTube
Click to expand...

True because toyota have been doing it for years in USA but for some strange thing our guv is hell bent on stoping production and entry to uk in a few years,i think there is a dirty move going on,on the other side hydrogen is hard and costly to get hands on in large amounts s yet.
 
IMO diesel will be here for the foreseeable future in the commercial market. Batteries are still relatively heavy and this eats into the vehicles payload; as such there is something called Peak Payload whereby vehicles get progressively heavier only to sustain their motive power compared to their intended payload and designed range. The future for aires style stopovers will have to include a charge point if this is to be overcome and true wildcamping will not be possible.
Also no one is talking about air travel and shipping both of which are on the rise.
 
Bigusdickus said:
IMO diesel will be here for the foreseeable future in the commercial market. Batteries are still relatively heavy and this eats into the vehicles payload; as such there is something called Peak Payload whereby vehicles get progressively heavier only to sustain their motive power compared to their intended payload and designed range. The future for aires style stopovers will have to include a charge point if this is to be overcome and true wildcamping will not be possible.
Also no one is talking about air travel and shipping both of which are on the rise.
Click to expand...

You are hopeing so but incorect as gove is stoping them so get over it as we all will have to do,there going.
 
I have suspected for a long time that hydrogen has been suppressed by the petrol industry as it would take them out almost overnight. I did see some comment a couple of years ago where it wasn't wanted on safety grounds as in a crash there is a potential hydrogen bomb but the tanks are quite strong and I think its just trying to sweep it under the carpet.

Not normally a conspiracy sort but this technology has been here for years, we have even had some guy on the news recently where he has converted his land rover to be steam powered but when did you see someone putting a hydrogen unit on the road?

Top gear did a bit a few years ago where they went to a Vauxhall place in Germany, they had a 'chassis' that was powered by a hydrogen cell and you could 'unclip' the body so the vehicle type was interchangeable. They were allowed to drive it round but was in company grounds and may have been prototype at that point. How come we dont see/hear more of this.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who viewed this discussion (Total:0)

Back
Top