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[Coolasluck]

Dont forget if you are wild camping and abroad, a wise investment as well as the usual detectors is a narcotic and sleeping gas detector, such as LPG Gas Alarm Narcotic Gas Detector Caravan Motorhome on eBay (end time 11-Jan-10 13:25:36 GMT)
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How much??
****ing hell?
Gas attacks,so they are now selling gas attack alarms.
I thought that these were just urban myth stories as an astheasist would find these attacks very very difficult to do, and if they could,render people unconsious without killing the occupants.
Another interesting topic what do other of you experts out there think?
A load of twoddle i think,and a good reason to not get to drunk!!!

 

[BedfordMJ]

How much??
****ing hell?
Gas attacks,so they are now selling gas attack alarms.
I thought that these were just urban myth stories as an astheasist would find these attacks very very difficult to do, and if they could,render people unconsious without killing the occupants.
Another interesting topic what do other of you experts out there think?
A load of twoddle i think,and a good reason to not get to drunk!!!

You are right it's twoddle spend the money on ale or diesel. Get a co detector though.

 

[derekfaeberwick]

Dont forget if you are wild camping and abroad, a wise investment as well as the usual detectors is a narcotic and sleeping gas detector, such as LPG Gas Alarm Narcotic Gas Detector Caravan Motorhome on eBay (end time 11-Jan-10 13:25:36 GMT)
Others are available...

They come up periodically in Lidl. Can't remember how much but nowhere like that.

Handy for lpg leaks.

 

[biggirafe]

You are right it's twoddle spend the money on ale or diesel. Get a co detector though.

Totaly agree, I can't think that I have ever read anywhere reliable of anyone getting deliberatley gassed in a van or even by accident because of an LPG leak.

I wonder if there is somewhere we can get proper statistics, I'm willing to bet that the number of people as a % of those camping in vans that actually get broken into is very very small although 'security' companies like to cause paranoia likewise I bet the number of gas incidents is also inceadibly small.

 

[ajs]

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just discovered... i need a HID detector too...
she just saw me on the puter with mapsource open and thinks i'm planning another trip....


as if...


do they sell them in lidl too


regards
aj

 

[fugglestick]

Totaly agree, I can't think that I have ever read anywhere reliable of anyone getting deliberatley gassed in a van or even by accident because of an LPG leak.

I wonder if there is somewhere we can get proper statistics, I'm willing to bet that the number of people as a % of those camping in vans that actually get broken into is very very small although 'security' companies like to cause paranoia likewise I bet the number of gas incidents is also inceadibly small.

Attacks may be small, but if they involve you, then that is the only important one...I gather mostly a problem abroad but now occurring in UK. Entry gained via roof lights which are so easy to enter. www.hertsmeter.com/gas_attack.shtml..... also www.motorhomefacts.com/ftopicp-292700.html
Also an gas detector though, which is not the same as CO2 detector. Plenty of info around on it.

 

[Kontiki]

The detectors they have for sale are for LPG & Co2 I have never seen any for protection against the so called gas attacks. Personally don't believe it is possible for it to happen without people getting killed. We did me a Scottish couple who had an RV & swore they were gassed, there is no doubt they were robbed but judging by the amount they could drink I think anybody gassing them is wasting there cash as they wouldn't need to bother. They also didn't have the alarm on at the time, they did have a dog but by what we saw the burglar was more likely to be licked to death. Still waiting for a confirmed case explaining how it was done & what gas they used. There is enough info from professional anesthetists saying that if it did happen people would get killed.

Break ins do happen & there are spots listed where these are prevalent, only advice is avoid known trouble spots, if there are other motorhomes there (safety in numbers) try to at least show you are friendly & often you will find they will respond. Have a plan to get out of somewhere & don't park where you can be blocked in, get in the habit of turning on your alarm if you have one. We put a strap across the front doors (its low down & can't be reached easily from the window) not likely to stop anybody but it is for giving us more time to react if we hear someone trying to get in. Have something reasonably close to hand, I leave one of the extendable walking poles hanging close.

 

[Channa]

I must admit Kontiki like a lot of others heard all these stories of gassings etc over the last couple of years, and you are the first person to suggest that you met someone who claimed they had been gassed.

Assuming we now have one real instance and they were telling the truth to you, It still strikes me, there is more urban myth than reality.

Channa

 

[biggirafe]

Attacks may be small, but if they involve you, then that is the only important one...I gather mostly a problem abroad but now occurring in UK. Entry gained via roof lights which are so easy to enter. www.hertsmeter.com/gas_attack.shtml..... also Gas Attack & Robberies Forums
Also an gas detector though, which is not the same as CO2 detector. Plenty of info around on it.

Sorry mate but I still have never seen a real report of anyone getting gassed, Neither the CC&C mag or the CC club have carried a report (as far as I know) nor have I ever seen anything on the news about people being gassed either in vans or lorrys, I'm in the industry and I'm aware that many lorries are broken into every night on motorway stopovers its a big problem for us. The thieves have never used gas nor have we been advised by the police that this has ever been done, they just cut the curtain sides or break open the back door whilst the driver sleeps. In fact when they are disturbed its rarely the driver who wakes its noramlly another driver in another lorry who hears them and calls the police.

One of these links is trying to sell something and as always the security industry loves to play on our fears and in my humble opinion the other is again Urban myth and people on a forum quoting other forums and and non factual quotes about gassings happening, seems several people know someone who knows someone who might know someone

If anyone has any evidence then I'll be the first to take this seriously until then In my opinion for what its worth we are all better off worrying about the things we know actually do happen to MH's, thats break ins. Fitting decent door locks, a chain for the front doors and bolting the habitation door when you go to sleep. As kontiki says use your alarm if you have one

 

[Pioneer]

Narcotic Gas Detector

About 4yrs ago, I was whatching a TV holiday programme or similar, BBC or ITV can't remember, but during this programme a family had hired a Caravan for an holiday adventure through France/Spain.
During the trip the family had been robbed during the night, and next morning woke up feeling drowsy (not from Malt I might add). The French police believe they had been gassed by Narcotic Gas applied through the fridge vents.
This I also read in the MMM's magazine, and I believe it could and has happened.
I had a Narcotic Gas Detector fitted, because of a long pending trip into Europe shortly after the report came out, better to be safe than sorry in my opinion.
It was also reported at the time of reading the MMM's, that a Doctor had reported that possible deaths from this sort of act are quite possible, so the choice is yours my friends.
These people who do this sort of thing have little experience of these gasses and are interested in only one thing when they rob you.

Or maybe the reports are false, who know's, YOU decide on your safety.

Hapy Camping

 

[biggirafe]

YOU decide on your safety.

Hapy Camping

Your absolutley right Bill, I certainly would not wish to tell anyone what they should or should not do in the way of security, we should each decide for ourselves what level we want to / can afford to go to

I do think this is a great topic and I am taking devils advocate to try and get to the bottom of a subject that seems to come up again and again

Would it be possible to gas a MH through the fridge vent?, Given its a fairly sealed area behind the fridge mine also has a vent underneath the van as well. It seems they would have to seal up the vents well enough to be able to pump in enough gas so that it escaped into the van in sufficiant quantity to work. It just does not seem possible or likely to me.

Again someone mentioned the skylights but unless you leave them open its not that easy to open a skylight silently from outside or is it?

 

[derekfaeberwick]

Given that the Lidl one costs about a tenner and it also picks up lpg leaks it's not a bad set of braces to go with any belts.

Personally I bought it in case of any gas leaks and I sited it at floor level for this purpose.

I drove the Continent for many years and have heard all the 'gassing' stories, I'm not convinced, but I've also heard about explosions in trucks, one involving a very close friend. Of that I'm truly convinced, he still has very heavy scarring.

 

[ajs]

Given that the Lidl one costs about a tenner and it also picks up lpg leaks it's not a bad set of braces to go with any belts.

Personally I bought it in case of any gas leaks and I sited it at floor level for this purpose.

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so lpg gas is heavier than air then...... and its burt fumes are not


OK... i'll be fixing my alarm to my pillow

regards
aj

 

[derekfaeberwick]

so lpg gas is heavier than air then...... and its burt fumes are not


OK... i'll be fixing my alarm to my pillow

regards
aj

It does noxious + lpg.

My CO 2 is set half way up the wall. I know how it feels sometimes, and the smoke alarm is even higher, I used to know how that feels as well come to think of it.

 

[ajs]

It does noxious + lpg.

My CO 2 is set half way up the wall. I know how it feels sometimes, and the smoke alarm is even higher, I used to know how that feels as well come to think of it.

no good then
.. i want an obnoxious 1 to hang over my puter

regards
aj

 

[derekfaeberwick]

no good then
.. i want an obnoxious 1 to hang over my puter

regards
aj

Burnip's Uncle do ?

 

[biggirafe]

Given that the Lidl one costs about a tenner and it also picks up lpg leaks it's not a bad set of braces to go with any belts.

Personally I bought it in case of any gas leaks and I sited it at floor level for this purpose.

I drove the Continent for many years and have heard all the 'gassing' stories, I'm not convinced, but I've also heard about explosions in trucks, one involving a very close friend. Of that I'm truly convinced, he still has very heavy scarring.

yeah I'd agree with that LPG is a bigger danger, plenty of vans and caravans have fires every year. If these gas alarms will detect LPG as well then maybe there is some value in them.

AJ you can't use one, i suspect they will also go off with alcohol fumes as well

 

[Pioneer]

Would it be possible to gas a MH through the fridge vent?, Given its a fairly sealed area behind the fridge mine also has a vent underneath the van as well.

Have you ever felt the draft coming from around the fridge? I certainly have, and have had a few different MH's over the years.
It is a very grey area this gassing stuff, but like I said previously, it's your choice, I made mine.
Take care, hope to meet up again.

Happy Camping
Bill.

 

[BedfordMJ]

Would it be possible to gas a MH through the fridge vent?, Given its a fairly sealed area behind the fridge mine also has a vent underneath the van as well.

Have you ever felt the draft coming from around the fridge? I certainly have, and have had a few different MH's over the years.
It is a very grey area this gassing stuff, but like I said previously, it's your choice, I made mine.
Take care, hope to meet up again.

Happy Camping
Bill.

Forget these stories of being gassed in your sleep by thieves it's never going to happen. Check snopes if you don't believe me.
If someone was going to rob you they'd simply break in and take what they wanted.

 

[Guest]

About 4yrs ago, I was whatching a TV holiday programme or similar, BBC or ITV can't remember, but during this programme a family had hired a Caravan for an holiday adventure through France/Spain.
During the trip the family had been robbed during the night, and next morning woke up feeling drowsy (not from Malt I might add). The French police believe they had been gassed by Narcotic Gas applied through the fridge vents.
This I also read in the MMM's magazine, and I believe it could and has happened.
I had a Narcotic Gas Detector fitted, because of a long pending trip into Europe shortly after the report came out, better to be safe than sorry in my opinion.
It was also reported at the time of reading the MMM's, that a Doctor had reported that possible deaths from this sort of act are quite possible, so the choice is yours my friends.
These people who do this sort of thing have little experience of these gasses and are interested in only one thing when they rob you.

Or maybe the reports are false, who know's, YOU decide on your safety.

Hapy Camping

Spot on Pioneer, everybody must make their own minds up and take their own chances, but better safe than sorry.
I also know some one that firmly believes that they were gassed and they had two very large dogs aboard at the time and I have no reason to disbelieve their story.
Like Derek, I also trucked around Internationally and I heard many stories, maybe some were real stories, we will never know
But one thing that I am very sure of, is that so called experts are very often very wrong experts.
Only time will tell
Just take care