Delica - the next challenge - help please me re weight issues

65KG is the standard weight of a passenger as determined by the Department of Transport.
At 105Kg you would need to be 2.05 metres (6ft 8.75in) tall to be in the 'normal' weight range. Very few people are as tall as that.

Brittania airlines (latterly Thomson) worked on

75 kg male
50 kg female
25 kg child

I am sure somebody somewhere must have been satisified mean averages. Add luggage (which is weighed) fuel and you have an All up take off weight.

From that pilots would "govern engine speeds on take off" to reduce overall wear and tear.

Channa
 
Anyone posting in on food related subjects should be compelled to post in their authenticated BMI and a selfie. Just for the lulz if nothing else.
 
Yes its a fact. Obese people don't go upstairs on buses. And no, I'm not a bus driver. I gave that job up in about 1980. Well, I was a coach driver and rarely took our only decker out. But I do speak from real world experience.

Your calculations are a bit out. The COG of an empty bus is about 1.5m up and its track is around 2.3M. The van we're talking about is built on a chassis with extra ground clearance and probably has a COG about 1.4M up. But its track is only 1.54M. They're a bit tippy at their original 1.98M height, but with a motorhome body on...

Grounded fatties, probably, a bit tippy. No I just can't be bothered :)
 
i only drive fast round sharp(ish) corners in my 2 seater soft top with the hood down -- only Very Special passengers are allowed onboard ... form a queue gentlemen - form a queue
:lol-061:

Not sure about a soft top but there seems to be a few on here with a soft spot for you young lassie,keep them dangling.:lol-053:
 
You sure about that? It's not a simple lever really, but more to the point it is unnecessary. The weight is too high, too far forward and frankly, in a very inconvenient place. And I question your figures. A Land Rover Defender wheel and tyre weighs 45 KG so i'd expect these to be 35Kg at least.

What you need to consider is the stability cross-section triangle. Imagine that you slice through the van at its f-r balance midpoint. Then establish how high the centre of gravity is. To assess how far off level it can go before toppling, draw a triangle with the middle of each wheel's track as the bottom corners and the COG as the top. Rotate the triangle until one side of the triangle is vertical thenmeasure the anglethebase makes with the horizontal.

The vehicle in question has quite a narrow track and is quite high. Unlike a bus, its heavy bits are not deliberately made as low as possible.


Have you seen how far a double-decker can tilt before it will topple? It's terrifyingly far. So the bus isn't anywhere near the limits of its stability, and not being 4WD isn't likely to go off-road.

A typical decker weighs 12T empty, plus 65KG per passenger. Typically 38 passengers on each floor, with extra standing downstairs only. So assume worstcase scenario; 5 passengers upstairs, none downstairs. Note 5 normal, not 2 or 3 obese (obese passengers don't go upstairs on buses). So 325KG is 3.5 metres up. That's 2.7% of the bus weight. That's not going to make much difference even though it is 2M above the COG. It will bring the COG up by about 2cm. The bus has a wide track so would have to be leaning a very long way to topple.




I doubt they are 35kgs (77lbs) because i did not find it at all difficult to pick up nor to take it from the hands of the Recovery guy when my arms were fully stretched up to the sky to take it from him. i am quite strong due to training, but even i would be amazed if i could lift 77lbs that easily.

All these things are subjective anyways.



To answer another question - when the shredded spare was in the local garage for a week or more i noticed no difference with the stability of the van whilst driving.
 
i only drive fast round sharp(ish) corners in my 2 seater soft top with the hood down -- only Very Special passengers are allowed onboard ... form a queue gentlemen - form a queue
:lol-061:
You show me yours I shall show you mine !

Throw me about in a 2 seater sports car be fun I am sure.

Then I have my fun ...you ride pillion on the bike !!!... 0-60 3.82 seconds, glad you got core strength to hang on !!!:scared:.........I know a little road around Cheddar, sweeping bends , like riding on a switch blade knife !!!. Fish and Chips afterwards at WSM ....Jeez I know how to treat a girl :mad1:

Channa
 
You show me yours I shall show you mine !

Throw me about in a 2 seater sports car be fun I am sure.

Then I have my fun ...you ride pillion on the bike !!!... 0-60 3.82 seconds, glad you got core strength to hang on !!!:scared:.........I know a little road around Cheddar, sweeping bends , like riding on a switch blade knife !!!. Fish and Chips afterwards at WSM ....Jeez I know how to treat a girl :mad1:

Channa

i have always wanted to ride pillion again on a beeeg bike after being on the back of a 900cc bike doing 105mph on the M4 at 3.30am when there were no speed cameras...... after the initial terror and clutching the driver's waist like a limpet, i eventually let my arms drop down, and they kind of floated behind me with the wind rushing towards us.... brilliantly exciting.....


nowt wrong with fish n chips channa !!
 
i have always wanted to ride pillion again on a beeeg bike after being on the back of a 900cc bike doing 105mph on the M4 at 3.30am when there were no speed cameras...... after the initial terror and clutching the driver's waist like a limpet, i eventually let my arms drop down, and they kind of floated behind me with the wind rushing towards us.... brilliantly exciting.....


nowt wrong with fish n chips channa !!

The grabbing on like a limpet thing is the whole idea :lol-061:.....I might be a tad stupid, I might be a tad mad ...but not daft !!!:lol-061:

Mushy peas with the Fish and Chips too !!!...if a very good girl, although I tend to be a steddie Eddie nowadays and cook my own, tis a Yorkshire thing.

As for Motorcycles , you either get it or you don't and no spare wheel weighing x to factor in to the equation,

The equation τ = m(r^2)α is the rotational analog of Newton's second law (F=ma), where torque is analogous to force, angular acceleration is analogous to translational acceleration, and mr2 is analogous to mass (or inertia).
or rotational mass equations (whatever they are)

Best off riding the thing and enjoying decent nosh

Channa
 
The grabbing on like a limpet thing is the whole idea :lol-061:.....I might be a tad stupid, I might be a tad mad ...but not daft !!!:lol-061:

Mushy peas with the Fish and Chips too !!!...if a very good girl, although I tend to be a steddie Eddie nowadays and cook my own, tis a Yorkshire thing.

As for Motorcycles , you either get it or you don't and no spare wheel weighing x to factor in to the equation,

The equation τ = m(r^2)α is the rotational analog of Newton's second law (F=ma), where torque is analogous to force, angular acceleration is analogous to translational acceleration, and mr2 is analogous to mass (or inertia).
or rotational mass equations (whatever they are)

Best off riding the thing and enjoying decent nosh

Channa

surely you mean that the angular acceleration's torque (squared) is equal to, or more than, the cube of a widget, digitised to a nominal factor ?


I didn't read 1.25 pages of the "Brief History of Time for nothing me old muccka !!!
 

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