Delica - the next challenge - help please me re weight issues

delicagirl said:
and yet another little spanner is thrown into the conundrum that is the Delica-van ... no - go on Izzie enlighten me. :drive: I know that a HPI is to check if a vehicle has outstanding debt to a finance company on it - but this is registered as only being in the uk for about 2 months prior to my buying it .... so how would this HPI be relevant to a vehicle which has spent most of its life in Japan?
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It also establishes mileage discrepancy, vin/chassis check, log book check, insurance write off, if scrapped, import and export. Could be interesting?
 
This all points to your van being 2.5t, BUT there is the vague possibility it could be higher, t'other year I was looking at a Toyota, the web and all the UK toyota 'experts' told me what I was looking for didn't exist, if it wasn't for the fact i'd driven throu central america in one I might have believed them.
 
colinmd said:
This listing for tipper truck with your model number is interesting.
At 0.75t capacity of this age of vehicle this would again indicate a 2.5t MAM
1992 #Mitsubishi #Delica #4×4 #Diesel #tipper #truck #dump #sale #japan | JPN CAR NAME +FOR+SALE+JAPAN IS GOGLE BEST RESULT
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Yes the internal layout of the cab is identical to mine and the engine looks almost the same. It is a 2WD though and mine is 4.

I think the forum guys have provided me with enough evidence that it is a 2.5 truck and I must go forward on that basis.....
 
Thanks for reminding me David - yes I am a member... i'll go over there shortly and have a little rootle round.....

I have just remembered why I have not been there... I cant get in - either it does not like my user name (or I have it wrong) or it does not like my email address and I am going round and round and round... time for a visit to neighbours to get some sanity in my head !!!!!!
 
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I am not up to speed with grey imports but wouldn't it verify the mileage, which Collette has some doubt about? Also, the chassis number hasn't been found yet [or has it?], wouldn't this come up on the HPI check?

Given the distrust Collette has with the dealer, I would have thought any verification of what is in front of Collette would be a bonus - or not.
 
delicagirl said:
Thanks for reminding me David - yes I am a member... i'll go over there shortly and have a little rootle round.....

I have just remembered why I have not been there... I cant get in - either it does not like my user name (or I have it wrong) or it does not like my email address and I am going round and round and round... time for a visit to neighbours to get some sanity in my head !!!!!!
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A stiff G&T works wonders in times of stress.
 
whilst going to weighbridge empty will give some info, sometime or other you will need to know the axle weights loaded, it is possible to calculate this, but the 'easy' option is to load the van as you would intend using it, no junk, but include everything (peachy rear end and all) that is required for you to use it in an acceptable way, water, fuel, clothes, food, whatever. Only then can you work out how to proceed.
As for 4x4 tyres, there is a 235 section tyre with greater load capacity, if you have 6" or wider rims you might be able to use these, they will be slightly wider and slightly greater dia, I think they should fit ok, any decent tyre fitter will confirm.
 
in the short term you need to replace the old tyres, ones already blown tothers could go anytime. you can get van tyres with m&s tread (mud and snow) which will give more grip offroad than a pure road tyre. that will give tyres capable of carrying 3.5 tonnes gvw, yes theres loads of 3.5tonne single rear wheel vans arround, 4wd tyres will give more ultimate grip but less weight capability, but were talking foot deep mud or steep slippery grass slopes. the m&s van tyres will cope well on gravel tracks and relitavly level grass camp sites..... with my rwd transit i use m&s tyres and carry a set of snow chains for wet grass.
it does rather look like your actually 2.5 tonne gvw, which means your only actually legal to 2.5 whatever tyres youve got, if you go the replating to 3.5 route youll need the van tyres for that weight.

having sorted the tyres you have several options

keep below 2.5 tonnes ,loose as much weight as possible , only carry whats essential...dont carry a months food when your passing shops every day or two.


or keep as close to 2.5 as possible and hope your not unlucky and get pulled in and weighed, legally its a risk, mechanically if youre driving sensibly brakes ,chassis and suspension have pleanty of reseve capacity that you wont reach the engineering limits. they are designed with a factor of safety.... usually means you work out the numbers then double the answeres just in case.
if your rear sags it may be worth fitting a new set of heavy duty springs.. depends on whats available off the shelf, or there are companies that will make spings

belt and braces and most expensive is the replate to 3.5 tonnes route, if its possible


personally id fit new m&s van tyres and try and keep the weight down and see how that works out
 
ricc said:
in the short term you need to replace the old tyres, ones already blown tothers could go anytime. you can get van tyres with m&s tread (mud and snow) which will give more grip offroad than a pure road tyre. that will give tyres capable of carrying 3.5 tonnes gvw, yes theres loads of 3.5tonne single rear wheel vans arround, 4wd tyres will give more ultimate grip but less weight capability, but were talking foot deep mud or steep slippery grass slopes. the m&s van tyres will cope well on gravel tracks and relitavly level grass camp sites..... with my rwd transit i use m&s tyres and carry a set of snow chains for wet grass.
it does rather look like your actually 2.5 tonne gvw, which means your only actually legal to 2.5 whatever tyres youve got, if you go the replating to 3.5 route youll need the van tyres for that weight.

having sorted the tyres you have several options

keep below 2.5 tonnes ,loose as much weight as possible , only carry whats essential...dont carry a months food when your passing shops every day or two.


or keep as close to 2.5 as possible and hope your not unlucky and get pulled in and weighed, legally its a risk, mechanically if youre driving sensibly brakes ,chassis and suspension have pleanty of reseve capacity that you wont reach the engineering limits. they are designed with a factor of safety.... usually means you work out the numbers then double the answeres just in case.
if your rear sags it may be worth fitting a new set of heavy duty springs.. depends on whats available off the shelf, or there are companies that will make spings

belt and braces and most expensive is the replate to 3.5 tonnes route, if its possible


personally id fit new m&s van tyres and try and keep the weight down and see how that works out
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I think that is a really sensible idea -

i also like the earlier idea of filling my van back up again (without the un-necessary "stuff" i hoiked out of it today) and then re-weighing it.
 
colinmd said:
whilst going to weighbridge empty will give some info, sometime or other you will need to know the axle weights loaded, it is possible to calculate this, but the 'easy' option is to load the van as you would intend using it, no junk, but include everything (peachy rear end and all) that is required for you to use it in an acceptable way, water, fuel, clothes, food, whatever. Only then can you work out how to proceed.
As for 4x4 tyres, there is a 235 section tyre with greater load capacity, if you have 6" or wider rims you might be able to use these, they will be slightly wider and slightly greater dia, I think they should fit ok, any decent tyre fitter will confirm.
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Thank you - this is also a sensible suggestion - and the larger tyres would give me some extra payload. I'll go talk to the tyre man again tomorrow - then begin to fill up the van again and go to a different weighbridge - i really cant go back to the same weighbridge for the third time in a week can i ??? They didn't charge me today and would think i am taking the mick if i turn up again !!
 
Have read a few times now that 4WD tyres will have a lower load rating than a commercial tyre. I for one, am going to need some facts to back a statement like that up.

I have all terrain tyres fitted, their load rating is a fair bit higher then the standard tyres. Just like standard tyres, there is a huge range.
 
delicagirl said:
Thank you - this is also a sensible suggestion - and the larger tyres would give me some extra payload. I'll go talk to the tyre man again tomorrow - then begin to fill up the van again and go to a different weighbridge - i really cant go back to the same weighbridge for the third time in a week can i ??? They didn't charge me today and would think i am taking the mick if i turn up again !!
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The important bit will be getting front and rear axle weights to see if tyres and/or suspension are over loaded.
It looks like you will struggle to keep within 2.5t and have a van suitable for your needs, but there may well be some scope to up this as just a paperwork job, if an axle is overloaded that will require a physical change such as air assistance, we don't at this moment know the designed axle limits, but it will be greater than 1/2 the MAM, anyone want to take a guess at designed axle limit? I would guess at 1.35t or maybe with luck as high as 1.5t.
 
colinmd said:
The important bit will be getting front and rear axle weights to see if tyres and/or suspension are over loaded.
It looks like you will struggle to keep within 2.5t and have a van suitable for your needs, but there may well be some scope to up this as just a paperwork job, if an axle is overloaded that will require a physical change such as air assistance, we don't at this moment know the designed axle limits, but it will be greater than 1/2 the MAM, anyone want to take a guess at designed axle limit? I would guess at 1.35t or maybe with luck as high as 1.5t.
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Thank you Colin - Just so i am sure what is needed - do i go to a different weighbridge, and then put my front wheels ONLY on the weighplate, get a reading from that, then put the back two wheels only on the weighbridge and get that reading - preferably when the van is utterly empty of "stuff" ? ?

Maybe you might explain why it is important to know why each axle needs to be weighed separately please ? thank you
 
mark61 said:
Have read a few times now that 4WD tyres will have a lower load rating than a commercial tyre. I for one, am going to need some facts to back a statement like that up.

I have all terrain tyres fitted, their load rating is a fair bit higher then the standard tyres. Just like standard tyres, there is a huge range.
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In 225/70-15 the only offroad tyres I can find are up to 100 load index, whereas van tyres can be had as 112 load index thats 40% extra capacity.
 
delicagirl said:
Thank you Colin - Just so i am sure what is needed - do i go to a different weighbridge, and then put my front wheels ONLY on the weighplate, get a reading from that, then put the back two wheels only on the weighbridge and get that reading - preferably when the van is utterly empty of "stuff" ? ?

Maybe you might explain why it is important to know why each axle needs to be weighed separately please ? thank you
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Close but no bananas, you need to do this loaded up.
Each axle will have a designed limit (which we don't at moment know) and each tyre will have a limit to the load it can carry, this we do know. Somehow or other you should be able to track down the axle limits, if not a best guess will have to suffice, but that's really the last resort.
As an example, my van is plated at 3.5t, the front axle has a limit of 2.1t, the rear axle has a limit of 2.4t,
 
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