Delica - the next challenge - help please me re weight issues

A lot of people never fill their fuel tanks above half full. On some vans, that could be a 40kg or more saving.

Thanks - whilst in Scotland I decided to always fill up when I saw a fuel station, especially in the highlands, as they were few and far between. I don't think I could really relax and enjoy the landscape if I was constantly worrying about fuel - but thanks for the suggestion.
 
you could get a divorce that cuts down on the weight alot . .then you can add toys like m,bikes . spear guns . another wet suit. etc .
but really i think dg is possibly single and really needs to travel with someone with lots of pay load hee hee .
is that silly enough.
mind with my good looks ,charm , and nice personality and not at all vain . could she do better . ?
mind i,m looking for a female with a big bag of money in one hand and a big bag of tools in the other and know how to use them .
should you know of any send them my way . hee hee

I'll give that some thought Alan and get back to you :drive:
 
Thanks - whilst in Scotland I decided to always fill up when I saw a fuel station, especially in the highlands, as they were few and far between. I don't think I could really relax and enjoy the landscape if I was constantly worrying about fuel - but thanks for the suggestion.
get away with him many carry ten times that amount . after all this year 400litres of diesel from spain saved 160 quid on uk prices . . that was on 1.26 to the pound . if you got 1.39 euro it was greater.
 
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I'll give that some thought Alan and get back to you :drive:

well it will soon be ferry time are you up to coming away. ?
spain possibly portugal for winter .
you know you will be safe .
the others will be watching .
course you may get a better offer .
forget payload . have a nice time.
 
Thanks - whilst in Scotland I decided to always fill up when I saw a fuel station, especially in the highlands, as they were few and far between. I don't think I could really relax and enjoy the landscape if I was constantly worrying about fuel - but thanks for the suggestion.

We did the same Collette when we where up in the Highlands because as you said they were few and far between and you couldn't risk running out of fuel way up there!! :scared:
 
well it will soon be ferry time are you up to coming away. ?
spain possibly portugal for winter .
you know you will be safe .
the others will be watching .
course you may get a better offer .
forget payload . have a nice time.

Hi - I am at uni till Spring 2017 when i finally get my degree. So a 2016-7 winter away cant happen .... but there are other winters.

The whole point of this thread was to establish a safe payload and by next week I will have done that - I know I will have more payload than just a "weekend away" amount of stuff, and my plan is a very long trip away next year.... who knows where Alan... you may be lucky !!!
 
forget payload . have a nice time.
There will be a lot of people wishing they didn't have a revenue weight because you cannot be overweight legally if pulled up, I know you can be unsafe and legally they can pursue that just as they can in a car which doesn't have a weight limit but you can tell when it doesn't feel right so load up accordingly
 
Thanks - whilst in Scotland I decided to always fill up when I saw a fuel station, especially in the highlands, as they were few and far between. I don't think I could really relax and enjoy the landscape if I was constantly worrying about fuel - but thanks for the suggestion.

I tend to do the same, especially if the fuel is reasonably priced :)
Life is too short to try to eek out the last litre all the time!
 
There will be a lot of people wishing they didn't have a revenue weight because you cannot be overweight legally if pulled up, I know you can be unsafe and legally they can pursue that just as they can in a car which doesn't have a weight limit but you can tell when it doesn't feel right so load up accordingly

my payload is more than the weight of most of the m,homes .
dg, could come along and bring loads of things . but she nicely declined .
never mind , maybe next year.
i,m getting younger every year, well folk tell me i,m getting more childish , thats the same thing isnt it?
 
my payload is more than the weight of most of the m,homes .
dg, could come along and bring loads of things . but she nicely declined .
never mind , maybe next year.
i,m getting younger every year, well folk tell me i,m getting more childish , thats the same thing isnt it?

If we ever meet up Alan I will tell you okay!! But there again there is nothing wrong in enjoying yourself!! Mmm up to a point I mey add!!!!
 
Hi David I am in discussions with SVTech re my new plate at the moment and when I have a figure from them and I have weighed my van full next week, as I have already said, I will have the final piece of this long jigsaw in place and will certainly tell everyone - of course its not a secret - what would it be?

I am working on the axle figures given to me by Mitsubishi HQ in Japan.

I am enjoying the comic end phase of this long saga - as are some other contributors - the whole thing had me tearing my hair out for quite a while, so its good to have a lighter ending.

I re read the whole thing yesterday and made a few notes about various facts I learnt, and also the re-reading helped me understand the issues more clearly.
 
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i have 2 individual axle weights from Mitsubishi Japan - those are the figures SVTech are working with. I don't yet know the weight of my vehicle + full diesel + full water + all my stuff in it - that weight i will get from the weighbridge next week after i return from my weekend away in the van and after i have filled up with diesel.

There is no need to keep out of it
 
i have 2 individual axle weights from Mitsubishi Japan - those are the figures SVTech are working with. I don't yet know the weight of my vehicle + full diesel + full water + all my stuff in it - that weight i will get from the weighbridge next week after i return from my weekend away in the van and after i have filled up with diesel.

There is no need to keep out of it

think he was just wondering what it weighed empty . individual axle weights .
what mitsubishi give arent always what a vehicle actually weighs .
as you emptied it and weighed it last week i believe what was the weights .
 
Firstly thank you all for the time and effort everyone put into this thread to enable me to understand the issues around weight and plating and tyres and loading etc.

As i promised here is The final jigsaw piece....

To summarise what happened -


When i thought i had an empty van I took it to the weigh bridge and it was 2490 kilograms. The weigh bridge man told me that i had a 2500 kgs truck and therefore i only had a usable payload of 10kgs left. At that stage i didn't know what payload meant. i accepted what he said and panicked because i had removed a huge amount of stuff from the van and had no water on board, and thought the van was almost empty of fuel. If this was true, i didn't know how i could safely drive, as i would inevitably exceed the user payload - ie the safe weight that the axles could carry without danger.

Payload is the total weight of everything i put into the van - me, water, fuel, clothes, food and 'stuff'. Weight figures are usually written on a metal plate normally found in the engine in the UK. My van is japanese and is not plated. There are no weight figures on the log book nor on DVLA. I didn't know how much my van was designed to carry and so didn't know if i was overloaded or safe to be driving it at all.

Finally, after much research by many on here, and several discussions with SVTEch and Mitsubishi in Japan, the latter informed me that my axle weights were : Front axle can carry no more than 1150 kgs and the rear axle no more than 1450 kgs - giving a total payload of 2600. They also informed me that no modifications can be made to the van to improve that payload.

Mmm .... a depressing response.

At this point i decided to completely empty the van, get it weighed again at the weighbridge, and then to weigh everything that had been in the van on my last trip.

With a full tank of diesel (60 kilos), and nothing else at all, the van weighed in at 2350 kgs.

2600 - 2350 = payload of 250 kgs = 550lbs. SVTech will plate the van for me at these figures. So it is going to be feasible to stay within safe load limits.

i implemented a lot of the weight saving ideas that were suggested here, removed some of the upholstery which i never used, and discarded several luxuries which were heavy and also discarded some of the spare water that i have always carried.

SVTech told me that over 80% of commercial vehicles, campers and caravans which were weighed by VOSA last year on roadside checks were seriously overloaded, and VOSA have now bought a further 10 mobile weighing units as they see it as such a dangerous problem.

So i now have a spreadsheet showing all the weights of my vans contents, and it has been a very challenging, at times stressful, but in the end very useful exercise. I recommend you give it a go over the winter.

Far too many folks, here and at home and on sites, seem to be saying "everyone is overweight don't worry" - well i think we should worry. If the weight of your English registered van is on your log book it is simple for VOSA/the police to discover if overweight is an issue in an accident, and if a van is overloaded you can bet your bottom dollar that the insurers will say "no payout" and if someone else is injured and your van is responsible... then what ?

As i discovered on emptying my van, it had been all too easy for me to say "i'll just take that, and that - just in case" - and they all added up to more weight than i should have been carrying.

Finally with regard to tyres and weight - i have been told by both SVtech and tyre specialists that just because you put a bigger tyre and/or more air in a tyre that does not mean that you have increased the payload, and it does not mean that you are safe.

i replaced all my japanese tyres with new 4wheel drive tyres so that i am legal in Europe in the winter, (without having to keep 2 sets of tyres) as well as retaining my 4WD capacity to get out of muddy places and wet grass etc which i have found useful when i go off tarmac.

thanks to andy for having photographed and translated the japanese labels in my van - and to everyone on here for their time and advice and help.

I hope this explains some of the issues, especially to newbies who, like me, probably never even thought about weight.
 
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Glad you got to a conclusion.

But:
To get the full 2600Kg you will need to balance the load exactly according to the axle limits, I thought MTPLM was generally less than the sum of the 2 axles to allow for imbalance. :confused:

Or not ?

I had mine replated, as without the missus and dog and motorbike I was just 5kgs under my MTPLM!
 
It's worth doing a bit of research as far as these tyres are concerned. The basic options are dirt track tyres, all terrains and mud terrains. Some (most) will be M+S rated, while a few will be M+S plus 3 peaks rated & Snowflake rated, often called 3PMSF.
M+S aren't strictly a winter a tyre, but at the moment are legal to use as winter tyres but they have to have a certain depth of tread left.

As with all things, worth looking in to. There are crap off road tyres and quality ones. Value for money wise, the benefit of a quality all terrain tyre is a life of 70000 mile +, easily.
 

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