Cyclist stickers compulsory for vehicle going to France.

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On another group I'm a member of have adviced that if our Motorhome is over 3500kg then you will be required to display these stickers warning cyclist of blind spots. Apparently they tried to get camping cars exempt, but as things stand you will be required to have them displayed, failure to do so could land you a €135.00 fine. The blurb is below, does anyone know of this information is accurate or is it more scaremongering going around. Screenshot_2021-01-12-10-21-21-846_com.facebook.katana.jpg
From January 1, 2021, the regulations change and the signaling of blind spots on heavy vehicles becomes mandatory. This new standard is governed by Decree n ° 2020-1396 of 17 November 2020 relating to signage materializing blind spots on vehicles whose total authorized weight exceeds 3.5 tonnes.
All heavy vehicles (truck and bus) must therefore display an adhesive sticker with a dimension of 17x25cm on both sides and at the rear of the vehicle.
 
It’s accurate, though no one seems really sure if it will apply to motor homes or for foreign vehicles. We live in France and I haven’t seen any heavy vehicles displaying the stickers yet.
 
mariesnowgoose said:
Is it something to be particularly scared about?

They're only stickers ;):)

Just another thing to add to the checklist before setting off? (y)
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The following is from the French gov site. It states there will be a 12 month transitional period, but I am still not 100% sure that motorhomes are required to display the stickers. As they are only a few € , I’ll be getting some anyway.
Apparently, all heavy vehicles on French soil will be required to display them.

www.securite-routiere.gouv.fr

Les véhicules lourds doivent désormais être équipés d'une signalisation matérialisant leurs angles morts

Sur la route, les vélos, motos, scooters, engins de déplacement personnel motorisés et piétons sont plus petits et moins visibles qu'une voiture pour les conducteurs de véhicules lourds, et se retrouvent ainsi facilement hors de leur champ de vision, dans leurs angles morts. Ces zones dont les...
www.securite-routiere.gouv.fr www.securite-routiere.gouv.fr
 
What follows is the main body of a post I made on out and about.


Yes, if you follow your link and then further, the FFCC link, (the initials highlighted in red) you will arrive here,

https://ffcc.fr/actualite/nos-campi...gnalisation-materialisant-leurs-angles-morts/

I have used google translate to good effect on the relevant section.

All vehicles over 3.5 tonnes are concerned, our camper vans also, as well as their trailers if necessary.

The FFCC contacted Marie GAUTIER-MELLERAY, Interministerial Delegate for Road Safety, to tell her that our vehicles were often modest in size, but she told us that the decree did not provide for any exemption for them. We will therefore have to get used to this new signage!

On the road, bicycles, motorcycles, scooters, motorized personal transporters and pedestrians are smaller and less visible than a car to drivers of heavy vehicles. They are thus easily found out of their field of vision, in their blind spots.

These areas, the extent of which vulnerable users are often unaware, are the source of serious and sometimes fatal accidents. To improve this situation, heavy vehicles must now affix signs showing their blind spots. They are thus better indicated to vulnerable users who circulate nearby.

Further links detail the positioning of the stickers

https://www.camping-car.com/nos-act...angles-morts-sera-t-elle-vraiment-obligatoire

Translation of relevant detail,

Article 2 of the decree indicates that the signage must be affixed on the rear face of the vehicle, to the right of the longitudinal median plane and at a height between 0.90 and 1.50 meters from the ground ... and in the first meter in front of the vehicle, excluding glass surfaces, on the left and right, and at a height of between 0.90 and 1.50 meters from the ground.

There are plenty of stickers available. Failure to display is a €135 fine.

A further information reply by a trusted poster quoted a link and this google translate.

Cette réglementation s'applique aussi à tous les camping-caristes étrangers conduisant un poids lourd lorsqu'il circuleront sur le territoire français.

which translates to

"This regulation also applies to all foreign motorcaravanners driving a ‘heavy' motorhome (That’s a motorhome wit a Gross Vehicle Weight excedding 3500kg) when traveling on French territory.”

Davy
 
mariesnowgoose said:
Is it something to be particularly scared about?

They're only stickers ;):)

Just another thing to add to the checklist before setting off? (y)
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Funnily enough before this question (and another like it that was posted in the last couple of weeks) I was behind a trailer that displayed the "if you can't see my mirrors I can't see you" type sticker and thought that could be a good idea to have that kind of sign on the back of a motorhome.

I see no reason to NOT have them, and also I don't see what the significance is of having them on a >3.5t vehicle only when the same blindspots will occur on lighter vehicles with an identical body.
 
I passed a lorry trailer recently on the right rear it said "if you cant see my mirrors I cant see you". On the right rear it said "warning this vehicle has cameras installed". Funny they never thought to install them to cover blind spots first!!
 
Surely the EU would have a uniform sign which should be visually interpreted without words. Virtually every road sign is devoid of words for the essential meaning, with the possible exception of STOP (seen frequently in France) or weight restrictions etc.

Davy
 
The stickers measure 17x25cm or 6.5x10inch which is just about the size of an iPad with 2 on the rear and 2 on each cab door side. No obstructions permitted so could get complicated for those who carry bikes or motorbikes on the back and at the same time complying with sign placement rules.
 
TeamRienza said:
Surely the EU would have a uniform sign which should be visually interpreted without words. Virtually every road sign is devoid of words for the essential meaning, with the possible exception of STOP (seen frequently in France) or weight restrictions etc.

Davy
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At the moment, it’s only France who require these stickers ( one on each side and one at the back) so no need for multiple languages/ different stickers. ( yet!)

mossypossy said:
Swings and roundabouts.
Might need stickers now but we can ignore the speed cameras now!
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How can you ignore speed cameras? All EU countries still have access to the DVLA database.
And if they didn’t, or lose access in the future, I can see border controls having direct access to speed camera / red light camera results so you could be asked to pay fines before you leave. I’m pretty sure Spain have the ability to do this now. We were pulled over on the French Spanish border last year while one of the border control guards stood next to us consulting a computer terminal before letting us on our way.
 
Derekoak said:
I passed a lorry trailer recently on the right rear it said "if you cant see my mirrors I cant see you". On the right rear it said "warning this vehicle has cameras installed". Funny they never thought to install them to cover blind spots first!!
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A friend of mine used to work for the forestry commission. He drove a new Volvo lorry which had cameras at the rear, sides and front covering all blind spots, with warning beepers should anybody be close to the vehicle at those points. Surely, most new lorries would be fitted with these, a much better system than a sign, which in most cases, will only be seen as you collide with it?
 
So I wonder has anyone else used weight limited roads they shouldn’t in France ? Now we really can’t as these stickers will very visibly say we are over the 350 limit.
 
According to another post the cross border directive has now stopped. So make the most of it, 😂 I know, you can't at the moment.

Wonder if the French border control will have access to speeding/driving offences in other EU countries. Sure that won't be too far down the road.
 
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