Clean air category and registration

Pudsey Bear said:
£100 WOW!! I'd want dinner and show for that.
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You'd want a rock festival for what TfL charge for my van to enter the LEZ...

Low Emission Zone (LEZ)​


£300 a day​

Where it operates:​

Central and Greater London - check a postcode or location

Charging times:​

24 hours a day, 7 days a week, every day of the year.
A charging day runs from midnight to midnight. You can pay by midnight on the third charging day after you travel or up to 90 days in advance.
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This vehicle will no longer need to pay a separate ULEZ charge​

The new LEZ standards are the same as the ULEZ standards of Euro VI.
 
I think you need the vehicle type as M1 on the V5 to be certain of exemption.
N1 will be treated as a commercial vehicle and probably ditto if the section is blank.
Lots of commercial converters seemed to have cocked up there!

The vehicle type is set in stone when a vehicle is first registered however if blank it’s worth contacting the converter for a type approval confirmation certificate if it’s supposed to be M1 as with sufficient evidence DVLA will change a blank entry.

My van is PHGV so no escape, £100 for unwittingly driving half a mile over two days in Portsmouth.

I love the way the signs are cleverly designed not to be noticed the pretty pastel fluffy clouds need to be in bloody great big red warning triangles!

Since being scammed I have realised Waze warns a route goes through a zone google maps does not, which I find a bit odd as they are both google products
 
On the subject of Portsmouth's signage, I'm scratching my head to figure out what the following sign means:
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Is it:
  1. The CAZ starts 10 yards down the road to your left (but the road you're on is out of the zone).
  2. The CAZ starts down the road that is 10 yards away to your left (but the road you're on is out of the zone).
  3. The CAZ starts on the road you're on in 10 yards and non-compliant vehicles not wishing to be charged should turn left.
  4. Something else?
... and what does the "B" mean?

I've not tried Waze but just noticed that the satnav I use in the van (CoPilot GPS) has an option to avoid Environmental Zones and Ultra Low Emission Zones and this on a 'per profile' basis. However, I haven't proved whether this is or isn't accurate.
 
Thistle said:
I think you need the vehicle type as M1 on the V5 to be certain of exemption.
N1 will be treated as a commercial vehicle and probably ditto if the section is blank.
Lots of commercial converters seemed to have cocked up there!

The vehicle type is set in stone when a vehicle is first registered however if blank it’s worth contacting the converter for a type approval confirmation certificate if it’s supposed to be M1 as with sufficient evidence DVLA will change a blank entry.

My van is PHGV so no escape, £100 for unwittingly driving half a mile over two days in Portsmouth.

I love the way the signs are cleverly designed not to be noticed the pretty pastel fluffy clouds need to be in bloody great big red warning triangles!

Since being scammed I have realised Waze warns a route goes through a zone google maps does not, which I find a bit odd as they are both google products
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Some councils may requite it but Bradford didn't.

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GeoffL said:
On the subject of Portsmouth's signage, I'm scratching my head to figure out what the following sign means:
Is it:
  1. The CAZ starts 10 yards down the road to your left (but the road you're on is out of the zone).
  2. The CAZ starts down the road that is 10 yards away to your left (but the road you're on is out of the zone).
  3. The CAZ starts on the road you're on in 10 yards and non-compliant vehicles not wishing to be charged should turn left.
  4. Something else?
... and what does the "B" mean?

I've not tried Waze but just noticed that the satnav I use in the van (CoPilot GPS) has an option to avoid Environmental Zones and Ultra Low Emission Zones and this on a 'per profile' basis. However, I haven't proved whether this is or isn't accurate.
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The 'B' probably refers to the type of zone ie.

There are four classes of Clean Air Zone:
  • Class A: buses, coaches, taxis and private hire vehicles
  • Class B: buses, coaches, taxis, private hire vehicles and HGVs
  • Class C: buses, coaches, taxis, private hire vehicles, minibuses, HGVs and LGVs
  • Class D: buses, coaches, taxis, private hire vehicles, minibuses, HGVs, LGVs and cars
 
GeoffL said:
On the subject of Portsmouth's signage, I'm scratching my head to figure out what the following sign means:
Is it:
  1. The CAZ starts 10 yards down the road to your left (but the road you're on is out of the zone).
  2. The CAZ starts down the road that is 10 yards away to your left (but the road you're on is out of the zone).
  3. The CAZ starts on the road you're on in 10 yards and non-compliant vehicles not wishing to be charged should turn left.
  4. Something else?
... and what does the "B" mean?

I've not tried Waze but just noticed that the satnav I use in the van (CoPilot GPS) has an option to avoid Environmental Zones and Ultra Low Emission Zones and this on a 'per profile' basis. However, I haven't proved whether this is or isn't accurate.
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Info here;

Clean Air Zone FAQs - Cleaner Air Portsmouth

cleanerairportsmouth.co.uk cleanerairportsmouth.co.uk

Looks like cars, campers and Motorhomes are exempt (apart from SOME large motorhomes.
 
I'm not sure why motorhomes are included, they are private vehicles so should be exempt apart from hire vehicles which are business vehicles, but how would the hirer control where their vans went, although I suppose it would be like speeding fines the hirer would be identified and fined.

My letter says:-

Please note, your vehicle will not be charged in the Bradford Clean Air Zone. However, your vehicle may still show a charge on the Drive in a Clean Air Zone Government website and charges may be payable in other cities.

But what does show a charge on the Drive mean


The other cities is the catch, to go up to Scotland we try to bypass Glasgow and Edinburgh which are both CAZ now, and if the signage is like Bradford we'll get caught.
 
Pudsey Bear said:
I'm not sure why motorhomes are included, they are private vehicles so should be exempt apart from hire vehicles which are business vehicles, but how would the hirer control where their vans went, although I suppose it would be like speeding fines the hirer would be identified and fined.

My letter says:-

Please note, your vehicle will not be charged in the Bradford Clean Air Zone. However, your vehicle may still show a charge on the Drive in a Clean Air Zone Government website and charges may be payable in other cities.

But what does show a charge on the Drive mean


The other cities is the catch, to go up to Scotland we try to bypass Glasgow and Edinburgh which are both CAZ now, and if the signage is like Bradford we'll get caught.
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Glasgow will be fine if you are passing through its motorways, they will be exempt. Quite frankly the situation in Glasgow is farcical. Glasgow probably has the best motorway network of any city in the U.K. with 5 motorways going through it. The vast majority of vehicles that go through Glasgow are on its motorways. As for Edinburgh it’s a nightmare, as is Aberdeen, and Dundee.
I don’t think the Edinburgh bypass will be included, but that could change.
 
PHGV Motor Caravans are included because they are deemed as being some of the most polluting vehicles
So for the scam scheme to work to their financial advantage my Euro V adblue crafter would have been exempt all the time it was <3500kg but no longer exempt once plated at >3500kg and taxed as PHGV.

Cynicism aside there are a lot of really old vans out there with extremely high emissions far higher than either of my two vans so I guess they needed to draw the line somewhere!

I wonder when diesel heaters will start to be included😉
 
ChrisInNotts said:
Dear all,

We went through the clean air zone in Bradford last week. We didn't even notice on the way out as it was dark. We thought we would be ok as Bradford exempts Motor Caravans. Alas, our vehicle comes up on the system as chargeable as a "Van". We were advised that there is a missing data field on the V5 so I contacted the DVLA who were not much help other than suggesting the Euro 3 designation is missing from the V5. They suggested I contact the manufacturer (Hymer?) to see if they will supply a suitable letter on headed paper but I would love to know how other Hymer Coachbuilts are listed on their V5.

Ours is down as a 2006 Fiat (not as a Hymer C544) 3500 KG Gross ands Private/Light Goods (PLG) with body type listed as Motor Caravan. Vin starts ZFA.....

Hopefully I can claim back this stupid new tax as we were advised to pay and then submit a claim in for a refund.

Thanks!

Keith
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We live in Bradford & had to register it with them. They have sent out thousands in penalty notices but doubt they will get them in knowing Bradfordians.
 

Does my motorhome comply with the LEZ rules?​

At the moment, London is the only city in the UK that imposes charges on motorhomes in its Low Emissions Zone and you can easily check if you need to pay by entering your number plate on the Transport for London website. If you’re travelling further afield, it’s worth noting that other European cities, such as Paris and Amsterdam, also have schemes in place so do check the regulations before you travel.

Motorhome and campervan driving in low emissions areas | Alan Boswell Group

Low Emission Zones, Ultra Low Emission Zones, and Clean Air Zones - what are they, and how could they affect where you can drive your motorhome or campervan?
www.alanboswell.com www.alanboswell.com
 
Pudsey Bear said:

Does my motorhome comply with the LEZ rules?​

At the moment, London is the only city in the UK that imposes charges on motorhomes in its Low Emissions Zone and you can easily check if you need to pay by entering your number plate on the Transport for London website. If you’re travelling further afield, it’s worth noting that other European cities, such as Paris and Amsterdam, also have schemes in place so do check the regulations before you travel.

Motorhome and campervan driving in low emissions areas | Alan Boswell Group

Low Emission Zones, Ultra Low Emission Zones, and Clean Air Zones - what are they, and how could they affect where you can drive your motorhome or campervan?
www.alanboswell.com www.alanboswell.com
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Unfortunately, that's not true for motorhomes over 3.5 tonnes. Mine gets hit by every one of those zones AFAICT as it's revenue weight is over 3.5 tonnes and it's too old to be even Euro 4. So, £300 a day to go into the London LEZ, £50 a day to go into Pompey, Bradford and most others except Bristol and Bath, where it's £100 a day.
 
Mines under 3.5t and I'm not sure it is true for me either, but could be expensive finding out.
 
Pudsey Bear said:
Mines under 3.5t and I'm not sure it is true for me either, but could be expensive finding out.
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I think on many sites now Kev you can enter your registration to find out if you comply before travelling.

Not that it would make it any more pleasant! :(
 
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