Change the name. This term is outdated: WildCamping

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There is a lot of navel gazing going on here, as a webmaster you really wouldn't want to change the name of a well established website. Maybe we should all recognise that if anyone is looking for ammunition to discredit us, then the relevant threads on this website completely vindicate our opposition to those who are spoiling our pastime. The name of the forum is a non-issue.
I would say that this forum is so long established that changing the name would - and should - not happen, despite the name maybe not having the meaning that everyone would agree on.

I run a on-line Club - or Forum - setup for drivers of Toyota RAV4s - weirdly called the RAV4DriversClub. But now more members than not no longer have RAV4s, but I wouldn't change the name as that is both known and also established for many years now.
The way search engines work, the name of a website means very little nowadays anyway to people finding a site that covers their interest.
 
Personally speaking,

I joined this forum because I considered it fitted the ethos of what I mostly do (camping well away from other folks as much as possible)...

I'm really not concerned that it's name doesn't fully describe what I do...
There are plenty of folks on here that 'wild camping' doesn't fully describe what they do either....

However I consider this place more of a 'state of mind' rather than an exhaustive description of what folks do...

And frankly I've got bigger fish to fry than concern myself with what the site owner wants to call it...

Maybe some people just have too much time on their hands and constantly look for things to change...

Not happy with the name?

Set your own forum up and call it what you want.
Im on my phone so its a bit tricky to navigate back through, but I don't think anyone has actually said that Phil should change the name. I get the impression that if polled 'Phil calls it what he wants' would win hands down...that would be my choice. The discussion is interesting though
 
Im on my phone so its a bit tricky to navigate back through, but I don't think anyone has actually said that Phil should change the name. I get the impression that if polled 'Phil calls it what he wants' would win hands down...that would be my choice. The discussion is interesting though

I think that the thread title suggests that someone thinks the name should be changed.
 
But as a webmaster you dont want to miss web traffic and the phrase people will put into google will be "off grid camping forum" if they are looking for this type of site. Someone looking to chat to people who put a rucksack on and sleep in a tent/bivvy bag away from campsites will search "wildcamping forum". Thats what the two expressions now mean

Search engines pick up far more than a name of a forum. For all I know "off grid camping forum" may be one of the tags, so the name doesn't matter.

Beyond that, I don't know anyone in the UK who uses "off grid". We'll have the forum full of US RV'ers wanting to goondock, or whatever they call it.
 
Before I start I have to declare an interest on this subject. They threw me off their Facebook group because I said that if they want aires, in the French sense they should lobby Councils but not interfere with organisations like NT, Forestry Commission and the Wildlife Trust as they will not be helpful in providing an urban overnight space but may well start sticking up signs in all their country car parks that we use now. I quite like the idea of parking in a town once in a while so that a meal and drink can be taken without me making it and washing up afterwards but these people seem be trying to stir every organisation in the country and I think it could curtail my motorhoming pleasure. Barge 1914 may be able to explain their intentions as he seemed to know all about my comments and suggested I was causing trouble.
 
It seems odd to me that we justify our overnight stops by saying that we are parking rather than camping i.e. nothing out on the ground but define our past time as wild camping - confused? I am.
 
Cale, for example the Aires at Hornfleur France, which is on the pheriferal of this historic medieval town. Having the Aire close by allowed us to do a thorough tour of the town, we had lunch then dinner in the evening, with a short walk back to Aire to sleep, then move off in the morning, this was replicated at various towns we visited. The Aire at Cirque la Popie was certainly enjoyable right alongside the river, cost a few euro per night.

Without these Aires touring would be much more difficult, making taking in the sights more stressful, as time ticking to source a place to stop for the night.

Take the Hebrides, remote set of islands not highly populated, even the council and various trusts see the wisdom of catering for us whether in a camper or Motorhome. I bet there are more Aire like facilities on the Hebs than there is on the whole of mainland Scotland. Having Aires gives us options, those who wish to use them can, those who don’t can drive by. I certainly see a requirement for them, some councils are wakening up to this, slowly!!

The way I see this Terry is we all have different tastes and no one group has the monopoly on what wild ——— is. Personally I enjoy all different types from the most remote to urban locations. I see no reason why anyone who prefers urban to rural is any less of a wild ——- than anyone else. Aires would be great and as you say some councils are waking up to the idea. But I see no reason why having Aires would adversely affect rural parking particularly in Scotland. I was down in Galloway last week and I lost count of great places to park up lying empty. As far as Scotland is concerned that won’t change, no matter how many urban Aires there are. But simply opening up many of the car parks that have been closed to us would go a long way to alleviating the situation. East Lothian have closed many car parks, this only makes matters worse. They should have put controls in place limiting the number of vans allowed during the day. Fife on the other hand apart from St Andrews have shown a much better balanced and informed approach.

This is all about perceptions, and right now we are being perceived poorly by Joe.
And what Joe thinks is important, and letters like the one published in the daily record are doing us a lot of harm.
 
Oops, forgot the most important point.....its Phils site and although I wouldnt chose the name I still 100% support that is his choice
At the time when the name change was first mentioned Phil said that it was the members forum and left the choice to us. Starting the motorhomer site as perhaps it would be a more accepted name for booking sites for meets etc. Least ways thats how I remember it
 
Search engines pick up far more than a name of a forum. For all I know "off grid camping forum" may be one of the tags, so the name doesn't matter.

Beyond that, I don't know anyone in the UK who uses "off grid". We'll have the forum full of US RV'ers wanting to goondock, or whatever they call it.


Pretty close, just one diagonal key out o_O :ROFLMAO:
 
Cale, for example the Aires at Hornfleur France, which is on the pheriferal of this historic medieval town. Having the Aire close by allowed us to do a thorough tour of the town, we had lunch then dinner in the evening, with a short walk back to Aire to sleep, then move off in the morning, this was replicated at various towns we visited. The Aire at Cirque la Popie was certainly enjoyable right alongside the river, cost a few euro per night.

Without these Aires touring would be much more difficult, making taking in the sights more stressful, as time ticking to source a place to stop for the night.

Take the Hebrides, remote set of islands not highly populated, even the council and various trusts see the wisdom of catering for us whether in a camper or Motorhome. I bet there are more Aire like facilities on the Hebs than there is on the whole of mainland Scotland. Having Aires gives us options, those who wish to use them can, those who don’t can drive by. I certainly see a requirement for them, some councils are wakening up to this, slowly!!
That’s fair enough if that’s what you want to do but I’m an unsociable bugger and don’t want to spend the night beside half a dozen or so other vans I want a wee quiet spot to myself to wildcamp in my campervan.
 
Why does this CAMpRA brigade think they are doing us all a favour? I like Scotland just the way it is and would hate to have to use an aire type overnight spot. Seeing pictures of Aires they are tarmac concrete places with vans packed in together and in built up areas. Nothing wrong with the situation in Scotland and as we loose one spot we gain another.
How dare they ask the Geekmyster to change the name of the best motorhome related forum there is 🤬🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
Quite a number of us Wildcampers are also part of the CAMpRA Brigade as you choose to call them, and oddly enough perhaps to you the founder of CAMpRA was Scottish as are many of its members. It was started out of a concern at seeing more and more of our wild spots being closed to us as a result of the vast increase in the sort of ‘campers’ and uninitiated newcomers that we all moan about overrunning both wild spots and unprepared small villages, and the unenlightened response of those who tar us all with the same brush and want to see us banned.

There is no desire at all to plaster Scotland with tarmac aires. We want to preserve or wild spots. As anyone who has spent most of their travels in Europe will well know the word Aire is used as a catch all expression that can cover anything from a patch of muddy gravel up to a smart mini-campsite for motorhomes.

The thing most missing in most of our rural areas is a network of motorhome service points sufficient to cope with the demand and dissuade people from dumping their s**t in the bushes and bunging up inadequate septic tanks of public loos which is causing so much ire. (that’s Scotland as it already is). That is CAMpRAs first priority.

Next is somewhere to park that doesn’t involve inconveniencing the locals in their villages, parking in front of their houses, bunging up the residents car parks and blocking their views... and that might even contribute something to their local economy. Would you like to dream up a word for such parking places? It doesn’t matter what you call them the need is still there... ask the poor b.....s in Skye. And until someone, somewhere does something in our favour the tide will continue to turn against us.

Of course we can all sit on our arses and moan about everyone and everything, that’s dead easy and commits us to b....r all personal effort. To do something takes a lot of people, a lot of time, and a lot of effort, for which they need to come together in a common endeavour, just like motorhome groups have been doing in the rest of Europe over the last 20 years while we Brits stuck our heads in the sand.

So you can’t be bothered, you are happy to sneak off to the dwindling stock of remaining quiet corners...that’s your prerogative...but why keep p......g on those who are prepared to put in the hard work?

On a personal note, I stay out of the highlands in the summer...I’ve no desire to add to their problems, but I’ll do what little I can to help resolve them...how about you?
 
I think groups like CAMpRA come and go and lots have tried the campaign thing. Personally I think it’s education some motorhome users need as the places where we’ve been banned from are normally because a carpark gets turned into an unofficial campsite by motorhomes cramming in. East Lothian is a perfect example.
This forum does a pretty good job on the education of how to wild camp responsibly
I do agree, but out of some 255000 UK motorhomes and thousands of foreign visitors what proportion doEs our membership represent?
 
The way I see this Terry is we all have different tastes and no one group has the monopoly on what wild ——— is. Personally I enjoy all different types from the most remote to urban locations. I see no reason why anyone who prefers urban to rural is any less of a wild ——- than anyone else. Aires would be great and as you say some councils are waking up to the idea. But I see no reason why having Aires would adversely affect rural parking particularly in Scotland. I was down in Galloway last week and I lost count of great places to park up lying empty. As far as Scotland is concerned that won’t change, no matter how many urban Aires there are. But simply opening up many of the car parks that have been closed to us would go a long way to alleviating the situation. East Lothian have closed many car parks, this only makes matters worse. They should have put controls in place limiting the number of vans allowed during the day. Fife on the other hand apart from St Andrews have shown a much better balanced and informed approach.

This is all about perceptions, and right now we are being perceived poorly by Joe.
And what Joe thinks is important, and letters like the one published in the daily record are doing us a lot of harm.
Agree entirely Bill, the dreaded C group is trying to get such closures reversed or at least get spaces made available for motorhomes...is that all bad?
 
I wouldn't have thought that Scotland wasn't a high priority. The more populated, but no less pretty areas may need some attention though. What about Dorset, Devon, Norfolk, Sussex and Kent. All with a beautiful coastline and some reliance on the tourist trade but very resistant to motorhomes. Not that I'm bias at all but Scotland is a long way from me.
 
Agree entirely Bill, the dreaded C group is trying to get such closures reversed or at least get spaces made available for motorhomes...is that all bad?

Of course it’s not, it’s what’s required.
I have watched several places I had visited and others I wished to visit being closed to us. When the no overnight parking signs went up in Kinross at kirkgate I was stunned. Closing such locations only moves us on to other dwindling locations, and that will lead to more issues. Also what was done a Kinross will affect local businesses, so unnecessary.
 
Quite a number of us Wildcampers are also part of the CAMpRA Brigade as you choose to call them, and oddly enough perhaps to you the founder of CAMpRA was Scottish as are many of its members. It was started out of a concern at seeing more and more of our wild spots being closed to us as a result of the vast increase in the sort of ‘campers’ and uninitiated newcomers that we all moan about overrunning both wild spots and unprepared small villages, and the unenlightened response of those who tar us all with the same brush and want to see us banned.

There is no desire at all to plaster Scotland with tarmac aires. We want to preserve or wild spots. As anyone who has spent most of their travels in Europe will well know the word Aire is used as a catch all expression that can cover anything from a patch of muddy gravel up to a smart mini-campsite for motorhomes.

The thing most missing in most of our rural areas is a network of motorhome service points sufficient to cope with the demand and dissuade people from dumping their s**t in the bushes and bunging up inadequate septic tanks of public loos which is causing so much ire. (that’s Scotland as it already is). That is CAMpRAs first priority.

Next is somewhere to park that doesn’t involve inconveniencing the locals in their villages, parking in front of their houses, bunging up the residents car parks and blocking their views... and that might even contribute something to their local economy. Would you like to dream up a word for such parking places? It doesn’t matter what you call them the need is still there... ask the poor b.....s in Skye. And until someone, somewhere does something in our favour the tide will continue to turn against us.

Of course we can all sit on our arses and moan about everyone and everything, that’s dead easy and commits us to b....r all personal effort. To do something takes a lot of people, a lot of time, and a lot of effort, for which they need to come together in a common endeavour, just like motorhome groups have been doing in the rest of Europe over the last 20 years while we Brits stuck our heads in the sand.

So you can’t be bothered, you are happy to sneak off to the dwindling stock of remaining quiet corners...that’s your prerogative...but why keep p......g on those who are prepared to put in the hard work?

On a personal note, I stay out of the highlands in the summer...I’ve no desire to add to their problems, but I’ll do what little I can to help resolve them...how about you?
As I said as one place is lost another is found and it’s normally the case that the place is lost because of it being turned into an unofficial campsite. I never have a problem emptying my cassette as I just use the places provided called campsites. So to answer your question I will do nothing and just carry on enjoying Scotland wildcamping in my campervan👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
 
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