CaSSOA lithium battery warning

[Tim120]

I asked my issuance company about solar panels ,their reply was not a problem if they are professionally fitted ,

I did the same when having fitted an inverter and lithium battery, were not concerned at all.

 

[Canalsman]

The initial story was based on an email from a site storage manager. I would guess not every site storage owner can segregate vehicles in the way CoSSOA recommend.

The recent Luton Airport car park fire involving vehicles parked close together may have influenced CoSSOA storage owner thinking as well as the ban on escooters being carried on trains.

CaSSOA are not recommending segregation of vehicles. The are recommending separate storage for devices with Li-Ion batteries.

Very different.

 

[molly 2]

I did the same when having fitted an inverter and lithium battery, were not concerned at all.

Yep you gotta keep on the right side of insurance

 

[st3v3]

Non story that doesn't relate to the type of lithium batteries used in motorhomes.....

 

[Fisherman]

Non story that doesn't relate to the type of lithium batteries used in motorhomes.....

Precisely.
The real story should be why are motorhomes still being supplied without lithium batteries, not what fictional risks they pose to us.

 

[Annsman]

Regardless of what caused the initial fire Luton was so bad because of EV battery’s going up.

the worry in this thread is not lifepo4 anyway

Twenty five years ago, the UK fire service were looking into the way LPG powered vehicle were behaving in fires. Following media stories about them exploding in fires and how they would behave in crashes, several brigades looked into the data and found they were just that. Media stories. I would expect the EV stories to go the same way.
We had a lecture about the dangerous chemicals on the road and how to deal with them. The person giving the lecture was a senior research chemist from Shell at Stanlow. He stated in his opinion the most dangerous of all was petrol! It's readily available, highly flammable and can cause serious burns on contact with skin. You can store unto 25 Litres at home and once you take it away from a licensed storage or distributor there are absolutely no way of knowing where it is, who has it and what they are doing with it. Nothing has changed.

 

[rugbyken]

it wasn’t cassao themselves who sent out the letter but an individual site owner part of the cassoa system i queried the issue with my storage site which is part of the group and the steward showed me an e mail from cassoa head office quoting the original e mail stating not their policy and saying the originator was required to sent a correction to all recipients

 

[Fisherman]

Twenty five years ago, the UK fire service were looking into the way LPG powered vehicle were behaving in fires. Following media stories about them exploding in fires and how they would behave in crashes, several brigades looked into the data and found they were just that. Media stories. I would expect the EV stories to go the same way.
We had a lecture about the dangerous chemicals on the road and how to deal with them. The person giving the lecture was a senior research chemist from Shell at Stanlow. He stated in his opinion the most dangerous of all was petrol! It's readily available, highly flammable and can cause serious burns on contact with skin. You can store unto 25 Litres at home and once you take it away from a licensed storage or distributor there are absolutely no way of knowing where it is, who has it and what they are doing with it. Nothing has changed.

I attended many incidents involving LPG cylinders, and only on one occasion did one go off. Thankfully we were all outside the garage at the time and no one was injured. But I have seen LPG cylinders glowing red in the dark from being heated and yet they never ruptured. I used to always warn recruits never to hit a cylinder involved in an incident directly with a jet, as the sudden shock could rupture the cylinder. But LPG stored properly, used properly is as safe if not safer than petrol.
As for all the fuss about Lithium batteries used in motorhomes, the sooner all new vans come with lithium as standard the better.
Alpha are doing the Xplorer 100ah lithium with blutooth BMS and heaters for £369 less the 7.5% discount, that’s £322.

 

[Nabsim]

Twenty five years ago, the UK fire service were looking into the way LPG powered vehicle were behaving in fires. Following media stories about them exploding in fires and how they would behave in crashes, several brigades looked into the data and found they were just that. Media stories. I would expect the EV stories to go the same way.
We had a lecture about the dangerous chemicals on the road and how to deal with them. The person giving the lecture was a senior research chemist from Shell at Stanlow. He stated in his opinion the most dangerous of all was petrol! It's readily available, highly flammable and can cause serious burns on contact with skin. You can store unto 25 Litres at home and once you take it away from a licensed storage or distributor there are absolutely no way of knowing where it is, who has it and what they are doing with it. Nothing has changed.

I just know you aren’t trying to say the U.K. fire service considers EV fires are just stories? You can put petrol or diesel fires out, you can’t put out a lithium battery that’s in thermal runaway, best solution they have yet is drop it in containers of water and leave it a week or two. Not heard how they clean all that water to make it none toxic yet.

Regardless, lifepo4 technology doesn’t have a problem but very few EV use lifepo4

 

[colinm]

I just know you aren’t trying to say the U.K. fire service considers EV fires are just stories? You can put petrol or diesel fires out, you can’t put out a lithium battery that’s in thermal runaway, best solution they have yet is drop it in containers of water and leave it a week or two. Not heard how they clean all that water to make it none toxic yet.

Regardless, lifepo4 technology doesn’t have a problem but very few EV use lifepo4

You've seen what happened at Luton, you've maybe seen what happened at Liverpool, these where fires from ICE vehicles which couldn't be put out before whole multistory carparks where destroyed.

 

[Nabsim]

You've seen what happened at Luton, you've maybe seen what happened at Liverpool, these where fires from ICE vehicles which couldn't be put out before whole multistory carparks where destroyed.

Study the videos of any fires, a lithium battery burns differently to ice fires. Why initial reports from officials get changed as in Luton I can’t say, same with the big truck in Australia. Where I a conspiracy theory type I would suspect cover up. Certainly enough stuff about for them.

 

[colinm]

Study the videos of any fires, a lithium battery burns differently to ice fires. Why initial reports from officials get changed as in Luton I can’t say, same with the big truck in Australia. Where I a conspiracy theory type I would suspect cover up. Certainly enough stuff about for them.

They do indeed burn differently, whilst EV fires can be difficult to put out they don't produce a 'river of fire' as can happen when a fuel tank is breached, they also don't (as in Luton) create a FAE. I have seen no evidence that 'officials' changed any 'initial reports', I do know that some news outlets deleted the lies posted by readers.
I'm not aware of any change to 'official reports' of the Melbourne truck fire, Janus the company who produce them have done a report which concluded that a cell overheated and caused a thermal runaway, what have you heard? If it's from 'Auto Expert' then don't bother directing me there, as he has a history of twisting the facts to fit his agenda.

 

[Nabsim]

They do indeed burn differently, whilst EV fires can be difficult to put out they don't produce a 'river of fire' as can happen when a fuel tank is breached, they also don't (as in Luton) create a FAE. I have seen no evidence that 'officials' changed any 'initial reports', I do know that some news outlets deleted the lies posted by readers.
I'm not aware of any change to 'official reports' of the Melbourne truck fire, Janus the company who produce them have done a report which concluded that a cell overheated and caused a thermal runaway, what have you heard? If it's from 'Auto Expert' then don't bother directing me there, as he has a history of twisting the facts to fit his agenda.

I don’t think there is any evidence to point you to for the Luton fire. If you had been watching it unfold you may have caught stuff but by lunch time everything had been taken down.
A member of the fire brigade stated it was an electric vehicle that had started the blaze but that vanished within a couple of hours. The diesel Range Rover looks more like a hybrid if you study the pics (if they are still about) and the raging fire is exactly where the traction battery would be on a hybrid.
Folks make their own mind up, I am not anti-ev and have a hybrid, I am increasingly seeing stuff that makes me think we are being spoon fed lies though

 

[colinm]

I don’t think there is any evidence to point you to for the Luton fire. If you had been watching it unfold you may have caught stuff but by lunch time everything had been taken down.
A member of the fire brigade stated it was an electric vehicle that had started the blaze but that vanished within a couple of hours. The diesel Range Rover looks more like a hybrid if you study the pics (if they are still about) and the raging fire is exactly where the traction battery would be on a hybrid.
Folks make their own mind up, I am not anti-ev and have a hybrid, I am increasingly seeing stuff that makes me think we are being spoon fed lies though

No member of the Fire Service ever said it was a EV, of that I'm 100% certain.
The Range Rover wasn't a hybrid, in fact when it was made that model never even had a hybrid in the line up, and even if it had been a later model the Lithium battery isn't where the fire was.
All this tells me is that certain conspiracy theorists will lie to their back teeth about EV's, and you should bare that in mind when reading the lies they spread.

 

[REC]

it wasn’t cassao themselves who sent out the letter but an individual site owner part of the cassoa system i queried the issue with my storage site which is part of the group and the steward showed me an e mail from cassoa head office quoting the original e mail stating not their policy and saying the originator was required to sent a correction to all recipients

Be interesting to know if op got a correction email.

 

[zzr1400tim]

I attended many incidents involving LPG cylinders, and only on one occasion did one go off. Thankfully we were all outside the garage at the time and no one was injured. But I have seen LPG cylinders glowing red in the dark from being heated and yet they never ruptured. I used to always warn recruits never to hit a cylinder involved in an incident directly with a jet, as the sudden shock could rupture the cylinder. But LPG stored properly, used properly is as safe if not safer than petrol.
As for all the fuss about Lithium batteries used in motorhomes, the sooner all new vans come with lithium as standard the better.
Alpha are doing the Xplorer 100ah lithium with blutooth BMS and heaters for £369 less the 7.5% discount, that’s £322.

just to endorse Bills statement about LPG cylinders being practically indestructible..
back in 2016 my first boat, along with several others, was destroyed by a fire (started by the idiot moored next to me in the marina who thought that it was a good idea to connect his (illegal) gas fridge via a rubber pipe with no jubilee clip)
1st photo shows my boat (jetty 63) in her death throws
2nd photo shows one of the salvage guys removing the main butane bottle from the boat (you can see that most of the blue paint had gone but was intact)
3rd photo shows the secondary gas bottle in the wreckage (still intact)

 

[zzr1400tim]

I really miss that boat i spent a shite load of money, effort and time over the years doing it up.. all to be gone in a few minutes

 

[Fisherman]

just to endorse Bills statement about LPG cylinders being practically indestructible..
back in 2016 my first boat, along with several others, was destroyed by a fire (started by the idiot moored next to me in the marina who thought that it was a good idea to connect his (illegal) gas fridge via a rubber pipe with no jubilee clip)
1st photo shows my boat (jetty 63) in her death throws
2nd photo shows one of the salvage guys removing the main butane bottle from the boat (you can see that most of the blue paint had gone but was intact)
3rd photo shows the secondary gas bottle in the wreckage (still intact)

Real shame what happened to your boat Tim, you must have been devastated.

 

[zzr1400tim]

I was totally gutted Bill.
Me and Joy were literally in tears seeing it destroyed and burnt out.
I bought it as a bit of a "doer-upper" in 2009
I spent a shed load of cash and time making it really nice over the years
it was our pride and joy.. we did loads of miles on the canal and river sections
I now have a bigger and more modern cruiser boat now but to be fair we have never "gelled" with it
(I will probably sell it this year as we don't cruise much anymore)
I really miss my old Dinard

 

[Robmac]

I really miss that boat i spent a shite load of money, effort and time over the years doing it up.. all to be gone in a few minutes

Very similar to the Seamaster 27 I used to have Tim.

I loved that boat.