CaSSOA lithium battery warning

[Moped]

CaSSOA have issued a warning to all their storage yard members with guidence to be passed on to those using storage facilties.

"LITHIUM BATTERY WARNING

Due to numerous fires caused by Lithium batteries which are very difficult to extinguish CaSSOA have issued updated term and conditions regarding their use on storage facilities with immediate effect.

NOTE~ If you have a solar panel on your caravan or motorhome charging a Lithium battery then your solar panel must be disconnected from your battery with immediate effect and the lithium battery removed from the storage facility. Also if you have an E-Bike stored in your caravan or motorhome likewise the lithium battery must also be removed from the storage facility."

Those who use storage facilities that are CaSSOA members may receive this message or similar from their storage owner in due course.

The question I have is what, technically speaking, causes lithium batteries to ignite, and which battery type is more at risk of this type of incident?

 

[Nabsim]

I can’t find mention of this on their web site, can you actually take a photo of the letter and post it please?

They know the difference in lithium technologies so this just doesn’t look legit to me

 

[wildebus]

Sounds like a nonsense warning to me with no knowledge behind it, lumping in all the various Lithium-ion batteries together into a generic "Lithium Battery" name.

---The question I have is what, technically speaking, causes lithium batteries to ignite, and which battery type is more at risk of this type of incident?

Your best bet is to do a search on line and you will have that answered, including some interesting demos on Youtube of the differences between various Lithium-ion battery types and their combustibility.

 

[wildebus]

Cassoa are going to have a real problem when EV type campers start to come it..... "Please remove your EVs battery pack before driving in"

 

[Canalsman]

If this is correct then CASSOA are either ignorant or ill advised.

It implies that vehicles with lithium battery technology have caught fire in their members' facilities.

I doubt this is true.

 

[Nabsim]

Not sure Cassoa are ill informed as they do training for handling lithium ion. I think there is a bit missing from the message. Dare I say it looks like a Facebook scare

 

[Reevsie]

What's it got to do with them. They are not an insurance company, If it causes a fire, then it is to do with your insurance. Not CaSSOA

 

[colinm]

What's it got to do with them.

Any business you wish to use sets it's own terms, if you don't like them you don't use them.
In this case they perceive a risk (rightly or wrongly) with Lithium batteries catching fire, as stored vans tend to be relatively close together a fire can easelily spread across a storage area.

 

[Annsman]

How would they know? Speaking as a firefighter for 32 years, if you get a fire in a storage unit containing cars and caravans, by the time it’s been put out, bearing in mind there are LPG cylinders and tanks of all sizes, diesel and petrol fuel, of varying quantities, vehicles made from plywood, polystyrene and plastic, detecting a fire was started by a battery, of any type, charging from a solar panel, would be next to impossible! Don’t have nightmares!

 

[wildebus]

Any business you wish to use sets it's own terms, if you don't like them you don't use them.
In this case they perceive a risk (rightly or wrongly) with Lithium batteries catching fire, as stored vans tend to be relatively close together a fire can easelily spread across a storage area.

Such as this once nice van that belonged to a forum member until this happened about a year ago

 

[Reevsie]

But I am doing business with who ever owns the yard. Cassoa only gives certificate for the security of the premises.

Say a Van catches fire, and destroys 10 vans. It is not them who pay out, it will be your insurance company. If the insurance is okay with you having these batteries fitted. The could say no Motorhome with Lithium batteries. But what can they do if you just say you have not got Lithium.

 

[colinm]

But I am doing business with who ever owns the yard. Cassoa only gives certificate for the security of the premises.

Say a Van catches fire, and destroys 10 vans. It is not them who pay out, it will be your insurance company. If the insurance is okay with you having these batteries fitted. The could say no Motorhome with Lithium batteries. But what can they do if you just say you have not got Lithium.

You are dealing with a site owner who agrees to abide by certain rules, part of their service is fire protection.

CaSSOA accreditation is based on the assessment of a number of factors. These include site security (perimeter fencing, access control, exit/entry system, CCTV, alarms, fire protection) and on-site facilities.

 

[Moped]

Photo of CoSSOA page with warning

 

[Canalsman]

Well that's very different from the initial story...

 

[Moped]

The initial story was based on an email from a site storage manager. I would guess not every site storage owner can segregate vehicles in the way CoSSOA recommend.

The recent Luton Airport car park fire involving vehicles parked close together may have influenced CoSSOA storage owner thinking as well as the ban on escooters being carried on trains.

 

[molly 2]

I asked my issuance company about solar panels ,their reply was not a problem if they are professionally fitted ,

 

[Fazerloz]

Depending on your area storage is much sought after and if a storage owner is informed of a possible risk then why would they take that risk. Especially when they know there are people queuing up for that space.

 

[colinm]

The initial story was based on an email from a site storage manager. I would guess not every site storage owner can segregate vehicles in the way CoSSOA recommend.

The recent Luton Airport car park fire involving vehicles parked close together may have influenced CoSSOA storage owner thinking as well as the ban on escooters being carried on trains.

If Luton raised any concerns then Diesel vehicles would be banned.

 

[Nabsim]

If Luton raised any concerns then Diesel vehicles would be banned.

Regardless of what caused the initial fire Luton was so bad because of EV battery’s going up.

the worry in this thread is not lifepo4 anyway

 

[colinm]

Regardless of what caused the initial fire Luton was so bad because of EV battery’s going up.

the worry in this thread is not lifepo4 anyway

Luton fire was very bad due to ICE vehicles, not EV's, if you've read anything else it's complete conspiracy rubbish. The first vehicle to catch fire was a pure deisel, it erupted into a FAE which was a massive explosion.