Camping in a Parking lot

[al n sal]

same reason for replying...feel i have to defend.....

definite conundrum though....real shame that there are so many people ruining it for others by their actions.. never said you have done anything to add to this.

and as far as how it applies...mentioned many times on here before..this is the reason many places ban sleeping over night, so it effects us all, even abroad, although have to admit I don't camp abroad yet, but will when funds allow.

 

[n brown]

fair enough. i have to say most of my time free camping has been abroad, and i have never felt so foreign as i do in my own country,at one time i joined the c and cc and was reduced to showing a photograph of my van to various campsites so tney could decide if i was acceptable[ at that time everybody was terrified of the travellers and my van wasn't a flimsy] so i was refused.i was a working man with 4 kids couldn't get a place in my own country. i probably see things differently to most people on this site because i've just been doing it longer. please have a bit of sympathy for the ones who do it wrong and don't know the rules[what bloody rules ?] i can get annoyed at vans that leave rubbish and upset the locals etc but never felt the need to do much about it,it's a fact of life,some people are crap at being people,doesn't bother me,i survived the cuban crisis i don't get upset at small stuff

 

[Byronic]

i've seen m'homers, wrapping rubbish up in tidy bags and then tossing it out the windows....emptying black waste in the wrong places, blatantly camping in carparks with chairs and such, sat outside their vans on chairs on the pavement outside someones house, obviously this was ok because this was a seaside town.....?

Name and shame!!!!

I don't think you'll find most campers disagreeing with your statement. Probably the type of people guilty of these wildcamping "sins", would regard being named and shamed as a badge of honour. Worth remembering that no matter how discreet the site you choose to wildcamp, you will upset someone. Just the fact that you are "getting away" with a free night is enough.
The thing is, in this particular example everyone was jumping to conclusions based on the evidence provided by one photo. Later it was established that the trailer was being pulled by the motorhome. So I suggest that before naming and shaming an individual, more facts and qualifying statements need to be presented than that provided in this particular case, a little more habeas corpus.
Also could be a bit tough on the new owner of a van subsequently sold on....... hope it's not you and especially not me!
If we get name and shame we'll have to do checking trawls thru' all the motorhome forums, and heaven help us the caravan forums, before buying a s/hand van!

 

[Basil]

glass houses and all that.

What I find a little bit strange is that David&Ann the thread starter also posted that they had stayed for 2 weeks outside a hotel. Not sure if that is a good thing.
While very good wildcamping members and I understand very nice , people in glass houses should not throw stones.
But there again, non of us are perfect.
maybe David should have spoken to the Kontiki owner directly and not posted his number plate on here or edited out the number plate.

Lets live and let live and enjoy camping

see link

http://www.wildcamping.co.uk/forums...-southern-spain-route-stops-3.html#post147419

Incidentally, I have been on many French Aire like locations and many many French put out tables and chairs. It just depends on what type of aire, some are large and in a field with plenty of room similar to a campsite, others have little space like a car park. You just have to go with the flow and if it feels right then do it, if not, dont.
We have even seen French leaving camping equipment out and going off aire with their camper for a few hours.

 

[vwalan]

hi. cant remember exactly but well north in portugal. was all superbock. some was a new flavoured red berry beer or something. they were clearing out an hotel bar. lots of gold topped super bock as well. actually it was jan that founmd it then phoned us to come quick. purple bob and me had a few night on the cheap. jan didnt drink but there was also loads of dfferent pop stuff as well for her.
got to keep looking .
found one skip in malaga looked like some one had cleared a tourist shop . jan had loads of stuff to sell back here on car boots. amazing lot of tat. thats why i need a big truck. ha ha .
saw a nice three piece suite this year in leather if i could have got it in i would have had it.
did get two bottles of co,2 from one skip .full. ideal for use with mig welder.
spain is good skiprat country.

 

[Byronic]

Hi Vw, more power to your elbow, reusing/recycling what would otherwise be landfill. The Spanish (and I should know) are probably worse than the English in throwing out perfectly useable stuff.
Most of us are too inhibited (I include myself)to go rifling thru skips.

Incidently there have been a lot of viewings of this thread, (and relatively few posts) perhaps they feel inhibited in responding and giving their views. Maybe they should, because if naming and shaming were to become entrenched it could well end up being a question of regretting getting what you wish for.

 

[David & Ann]

What I find a little bit strange is that David&Ann the thread starter also posted that they had stayed for 2 weeks outside a hotel. Not sure if that is a good thing.
While very good wildcamping members and I understand very nice , people in glass houses should not throw stones.
But there again, non of us are perfect.
maybe David should have spoken to the Kontiki owner directly and not posted his number plate on here or edited out the number plate.
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Hi Basil, Yes, I did stop by a Hotel for 2 weeks, fortunately it was a service road behind the Hotel. The Spanish Police had no objections.(See photo attached)

Yes, I did speak to the owner of the Kontiki, as stated in one of my posts in ths threadI did tell him he MAY have hassle with the Cops. My apoligies for showing the Reg: No: of the Kontiki but if you have read my previous Posts, you will know I have stated that I was prepared to DELETE the Post if there was an objection. Since there is an objection from you, I will delete it immediately. Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your view on this point.

 

[David & Ann]

Please note I have deleted the Start thread post because of unforeseen circumstances.

 

[Basil]

What I find a little bit strange is that David&Ann the thread starter also posted that they had stayed for 2 weeks outside a hotel. Not sure if that is a good thing.
While very good wildcamping members and I understand very nice , people in glass houses should not throw stones.
But there again, non of us are perfect.
maybe David should have spoken to the Kontiki owner directly and not posted his number plate on here or edited out the number plate.
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Hi Basil, Yes, I did stop by a Hotel for 2 weeks, fortunately it was a service road behind the Hotel. The Spanish Police had no objections.(See photo attached)

Yes, I did speak to the owner of the Kontiki, I did tell him he MAY have hassle with the Cops. My apoligies for showing the Reg: No: of the Kontiki but if you have read my previous Posts, you will know I have stated that I was prepared to DELETE the Post if there was an objection. Sincethere is an objection from you, I will delete it immediately. Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your view on this point.

Hi David, Thanks for reply, no need to delete on my behalf, I was just thinking of the owner of the Kontiki. Thanks also for clearing up a few questions issues, maybe the full facts and information could have been put alongside the origional post?
Regarding your parking for 2 weeks on a service road for a hotel. Far be it for me to complain as if I wanted to do similar, I would but I doubt that I would as I like much quieter locations.
Similarly, I don't see much wrong with the guy in the Kontiki as long as local residents don't mind.
I just thought it a little strange that someone who would park for 2 weeks outside a hotel would show concern about the Kontiki, but nothing wrong with either under the right circumstances.
Just my thoughts aloud.
Enjoy your travels.

 

[David & Ann]

Hi David, Thanks for reply, no need to delete on my behalf, I was just thinking of the owner of the Kontiki. Thanks also for clearing up a few questions issues, maybe the full facts and information could have been put alongside the origional post?
Regarding your parking for 2 weeks on a service road for a hotel. Far be it for me to complain as if I wanted to do similar, I would but I doubt that I would as I like much quieter locations.
Similarly, I don't see much wrong with the guy in the Kontiki as long as local residents don't mind.
I just thought it a little strange that someone who would park for 2 weeks outside a hotel would show concern about the Kontiki, but nothing wrong with either under the right circumstances.
Just my thoughts aloud.
Enjoy your travels.

No offence taken. You have every right to express your views. I should have been more diplomatic and not displayed the Reg: plate. Further more. I really would not know how to have removed or hidden the plate as I happen to be a dummy with a PC.☺☺☺ See you in Oz between Dec 2011and April 2012☺☺☺

 

[Basil]

No offence taken. You have every right to express your views. I should have been more diplomatic and not displayed the Reg: plate. Further more. I really would not know how to have removed or hidden the plate as I happen to be a dummy with a PC.☺☺☺ See you in Oz between Dec 2011and April 2012☺☺☺

Thanks David, i think that most of us have to struggle with a PC at one time or another,and most of us including me put our big foot in our mouths sometime:have fun:

 

[Viktor]

Just open the photo with Paint - found in Start/All Programs/Accessories - click on the Rubber symbol and
use the mouse to wipe out the reg plate and click save. Then you can upload it with no probs.

 

[John H]

.... in this particular example everyone was jumping to conclusions based on the evidence provided by one photo. Later it was established that the trailer was being pulled by the motorhome. So I suggest that before naming and shaming an individual, more facts and qualifying statements need to be presented than that provided in this particular case, a little more habeas corpus.

I am not sure what difference it makes that the trailer was being pulled by the motorhome. The Spanish rules are very clear (unlike ours!) and they state that parking is ok but camping (including getting out tables and chairs, awnings etc) is not outside specific sites. It took the Spanish a long time to wrest what amounts to permission to wildcamp out of the authorities and you will often see Spanish motorhomes proudly displaying "parked not camped" signs in their windows. Idiots (and I make no apology for the term) like the one in the original photo make it more likely that the rules will be toughened up and those of us innocently "parked" will be moved on. Thus if the rest of us can demonstrate that we disapprove of this kind of activity as much as the local residents we stand more chance of being left in peace. "Name and shame" gets my vote (and the red herring about what happens if the van is sold on is nullified by simply putting a date on the photo!).

 

[Byronic]

Of course it matters if the motorhome was pulling the trailer tent or not, because until it was confirmed that the motorcaravan was actually towing the thing, then the camping paraphenalia may not have belonged to the motorcaravan. The motorcaravan may have been simply parking. Read the earlier posts.
I don't think I would like to be denying to all and sundry that I was not the owner at the time of a date stamped "name and shame" website entry.

 

[John H]

Of course it matters if the motorhome was pulling the trailer tent or not, because until it was confirmed that the motorcaravan was actually towing the thing, then the camping paraphenalia may not have belonged to the motorcaravan. The motorcaravan may have been simply parking. Read the earlier posts.
I don't think I would like to be denying to all and sundry that I was not the owner at the time of a date stamped "name and shame" website entry.

I think the original point was (and David will correct me if I'm wrong) that it was the trailer tent and those who were associated with it that were the idiots, whether or not the motorhome was part of that set-up. It would therefore be the owners of the trailer tent who should be named and shamed - irrespective of the position of the motorhome. But as we now know, David was aware of the connection between the two from the start.

Further, there is no need to deny anything - all you need is the documentation showing the date you acquired the vehicle - end of story.

 

[Byronic]

Come on David correct him.
I would not like to deny anything, let alone feel compelled to carry documents for such a reason as disproving ownership at a certain time,unless the law requires me to.

 

[David & Ann]

Just open the photo with Paint - found in Start/All Programs/Accessories - click on the Rubber symbol and
use the mouse to wipe out the reg plate and click save. Then you can upload it with no probs.

Thanks Viktor. I will try that, in future.

 

[Basil]

Come on David correct him.
I would not like to deny anything, let alone feel compelled to carry documents for such a reason as disproving ownership at a certain time,unless the law requires me to.

Agree, give the guy a break, non of us are perfect:have fun:

 

[scampa]

I don't really see any point in starting a "name and shame" policy in cases like this. Surely (we hope!) anyone going against the sensible wildcamping guidelines wouldn't be one of our members, so wouldn't be reading these posts anyway?

Maybe we could use photo's like the one originally posted (but with the reg number deleted) in a more positive way though, by posting them in a separate thread to be used as a guide to "how not to do it"?

As well as being a reminder for any new members, it would also show others that we try to promote "responsible" wildcamping.

If only the irresponsible ones who spoil things for the rest of us would display a sticker saying "NOT a member of wildcamping.co.uk" ?? (I would vote for a curvy "W" with a red diagonal line through it :lol-053.

 

[al n sal]

I'm probably going to get shouted at for linking this here and yes it is, minor sort of, obviously not destroying the area and obviously not dumping rubbish...but, this is being seen, by a lot......pics shown, kind a name and shame really. is this right? or not? will this kind a thing speed up us being banned from good places?

I probably could find worse to post, but kinda puts the idea out...yes No? from what I've read on here and other forums then yes, or should I buy a tent.

Why Do Councils Ban Motorhome Parking?

better hide now then...:lol-053: