Camper van concerns raised in Northumberland coastal village

[trevskoda]

All land in N Ireland belongs to the grown estates right down to low tide,ground rents are paid to holders of ground which was lent/sold or leased for 990 years,the common lands in england i knew about but not the history on above posts,vely interesting.

 

[runnach]

I wonder. As Bournemouth beach was covered in crap, why dont they ban people from the beach? Leeds at Elland Road, covered in tons of crap from celebrating foorball fans. Are they going to ban football fans? Crap from campers at beauty spots......ban motorhomes. most of whom dont cover the place in sh$$ Theres one rule for some one rule for others.

One problem with your elland road analogy. 6 am following morning fans congregated and did a clean up. ‘Twas brieflyon the local news....of course doesn’t excuse their initial behaviour of some

 

[Fazerloz]

Really ? I thought they let you trade where you wanted, don’t need licences rent free etc.......same as when we put valentines fair on , 5 k a week was the rent then had to hire toilets etc pay hirings etc some folk have no idea

And every bit of it is a gamble and all can be lost purely because of a bit of bad weather. I am so glad this is the first year we haven't tendered for any shows as they would have had to have been paid for in Feb. I bet its fun trying to get money back. It will all be promises of next year.

 

[mickymost]

How do you know they are discriminating against Motorhomes that use the Beach car park? I have never said anything about roadside parking in the village, I know that is legal (under most circumstances). And you were the one who used the word 'discriminating'. not me. You seem to have gone off on a tangent, so I will try to be clearer. By using the car park, you have entered into a contract and paid for a service. If you do not abide by the terms of the contract you are in breach of it. With motorhomes, you will not pay a penalty ... every other innocent motorhome owner that is stopped using the car park will pay the penalty if they fit a height barrier.

Maingate


In my lifetime I actually have used a carpark once or twice
So I understand how a car park works in relation to a contract
And Yes I did use the word discriminating

I will make an attempt to be clearer for you (why will some motorhomes not pay a penalty and other innocent motorhomes will pay the penalty your words quoted again above)

I ask did you read the article again I think you did not

again I quote from the article (and this bit does refer to the beach car park thats how I know it relates to that )

"Coun Susanne Gair said she had spoken to Robin Winder of Alnmouth Burgage Holders, which have responsibility for the beach car park.
"The camper vans are clearly staying there overnight and some of them are staying more than one night,” she said. “Apparently the burgage holders are looking into putting some gates in there to stop this.”


putting in gates which no doubt will involve height barriers to stop motorhomes so Maingate do you think this is not to stop them being there.Do you not think the word discriminate relating to this article relates to preventing one type of vehicle being the motorhome which they are moaning about.

 

[mickymost]

So you’ve joined CAMpRA and are making a position contribution. Amongst the gloom they are actually seeing some bright shoots as a result of actually talking to the people who make decisions rather than whingeing to each other.

Maingate HAVE YOU joined CAMpRA?

 

[maingate]

Maingate

"Coun Susanne Gair said she had spoken to Robin Winder of Alnmouth Burgage Holders, which have responsibility for the beach car park.
"The camper vans are clearly staying there overnight and some of them are staying more than one night,” she said. “Apparently the burgage holders are looking into putting some gates in there to stop this.”


putting in gates which no doubt will involve height barriers to stop motorhomes so Maingate do you think this is not to stop them being there.Do you not think the word discriminate relating to this article relates to preventing one type of vehicle being the motorhome which they are moaning about.

It not discrimination by the Burbage holders. It is utter stupidity by motorhome owners acting irresponsibly that has caused this. Don't get angry with me, get angry with the stupid arseholes that have caused this situation.

 

[Markd]

We spent a night on the tarmac car park by the golf course in the middle of February last year and were seriously abused by a local walking his dog.
Most unwelcoming!!
The beach side car park attracts a fee in the summer and I think they allow motorhomes on during the day but don't allow overnighting apparently.
It's up to the managers of course but they are missing a revenue stream.
We would probably have parked out of the way by the beach if wed been sure of the ground but we arrived after dark.
Actually it's very solid and even in winter we'd have been ok.
The burgage holders are people who own property in the village centre.

 

[izwozral]

We spent a night on the tarmac car park by the golf course in the middle of February last year and were seriously abused by a local walking his dog.
Most unwelcoming!!
The beach side car park attracts a fee in the summer and I think they allow motorhomes on during the day but don't allow overnighting apparently.
It's up to the managers of course but they are missing a revenue stream.
We would probably have parked out of the way by the beach if wed been sure of the ground but we arrived after dark.
Actually it's very solid and even in winter we'd have been ok.
The burgage holders are people who own property in the village centre.

What did they say to Mark? How did you respond?

 

[jagmanx]

All land in N Ireland belongs to the grown estates right down to low tide,ground rents are paid to holders of ground which was lent/sold or leased for 990 years,the common lands in england i knew about but not the history on above posts,vely interesting.

Linux is messing with your keyboard, Trevsoda (or is that a drink?)

 

[Markd]

The man came right up to my wife while she was walking our dog invading her personal space and told her we weren't welcome and were free loading and should use b&b or hotel.
She was very upset and I suppose he had the effect he wanted because despite the beach being lovely to visit she won't go there again.
Incidentally he came back from his dog walk without a poo bag - so obviously a model citizen looking after local amenities and his neighbours!

 

[izwozral]

The man came right up to my wife while she was walking our dog invading her personal space and told her we weren't welcome and were free loading and should use b&b or hotel.
She was very upset and I suppose he had the effect he wanted because despite the beach being lovely to visit she won't go there again.
Incidentally he came back from his dog walk without a poo bag - so obviously a model citizen looking after local amenities and his neighbours!

Sounds a right tw4t.

What gives him the right to dictate how someone spends their holidays? Knob head springs to mind.

Be interesting to march up to someone coming out of a hotel and tell them they weren't welcome and they were following a capitalist agenda and they should use a MH or a tent. I wonder what the reply would be?

 

[Markd]

We were just doing an overnight stop on our way to Scotland and thought we were nicely out of anyone's way.
Other dog walkers there were mumbling about how wed parked taking up space.
I admit that if we'd arrived in daylight I would have parked differently but there was still plenty of room and we'd planned to leave after breakfast anyway.
Part of me wanted to stay another night in retaliation for their bad grace - but as I say my wife bore the brunt of the abuse and wanted away ASAP.

 

[mickymost]

It not discrimination by the Burbage holders. It is utter stupidity by motorhome owners acting irresponsibly that has caused this. Don't get angry with me, get angry with the stupid arseholes that have caused this situation.

Maingate Good Morning

Im not getting angry with you its a forum to discuss not to beat each other up
lifes too short was just stating facts posted by another members link

 

[mariesnowgoose]

@Markd

There are quite a few parochial knobs (snobs?) living in Northumberland.
Actually, there have always been parochial knobs/snobs residing in any pretty small town or village through the UK if you look hard enough.

But not all are parochial. Some are often just first-class nimbys. A fair few are 'incomers', as I've mentioned before. Many will be 'professionals' (some retired, some not) moved up from stinky Londinium or other southern power houses. But they really do like to throw their prejudiced weight around when its comes to local matters.

There are many holiday property owners in this area too, and not all will necessarily be permanent residents either.

Whatever, you are right about some of them having distinctly small-minded and aggressive nimby attitudes.
And that was before C-19 !!! Unfortunately some will be even more leary and insane since its arrival.

There are flies in every type of ointment

 

[mariesnowgoose]

The signs say no overnighting, and whether it's enforceable or not (apparently not - for now....) I agree 100% with maingate about idiots with campers thinking they can just ignore the notices and do what they want.

Alnmouth is a honeypot because it is such a pretty Northumberland coastal village, but if you start getting increased numbers of covidiots basically sticking two fingers up at parking signage then, tbh, I can't say I blame the Burbage Holders from wanting to stop them from abusing the site.

And by abusing, I don't mean leaving rubbish or behaving badly, I mean taking liberties in what is a fairly high-profile tourist car park managed in conjunction with a burgage system. I say if you invade in campers and proceed to show your monkey bums to the natives' parking signs then you should fully expect a smacking in return.

As for parking safely on the roadway elsewhere in the vicinity then fair enough, but it is a small place not suitable for accommodating masses of vehicles in or around the main village, whatever the size of the vehicles. Hence the need for the beach car park.

 

[Nabsim]

So why is the problem motorhomes or vans that stay overnight if signs are illegal. I see the problem as no provision has been made. Things have changed and will keep changing as the number of people using vans is constantly rising. Thought this was a site for off grid camping?

 

[mickymost]

The signs say no overnighting, and whether it's enforceable or not (apparently not - for now....) I agree 100% with maingate about idiots with campers thinking they can just ignore the notices and do what they want.

Alnmouth is a honeypot because it is such a pretty Northumberland coastal village, but if you start getting increased numbers of covidiots basically sticking two fingers up at parking signage then, tbh, I can't say I blame the Burbage Holders from wanting to stop them from abusing the site.

And by abusing, I don't mean leaving rubbish or behaving badly, I mean taking liberties in what is a fairly high-profile tourist car park managed in conjunction with a burgage system. I say if you invade in campers and proceed to show your monkey bums to the natives' parking signs then you should fully expect a smacking in return.

As for parking safely on the roadway elsewhere in the vicinity then fair enough, but it is a small place not suitable for accommodating masses of vehicles in or around the main village, whatever the size of the vehicles. Hence the need for the beach car park.

So Marie are we now saying anyone in a Motorhome who has chanced an overnight anywhere not just Alnmouth is branded by you as a Covidiot.So are all members on Wildcamping Covidiots now?
How do you know how long the ones shown in the article have been a Motorhome owner (you dont).They might be new owners who need a little educating in whats right or wrong relating to stopovers, yes but that doesnt make them a Covididiot. How do you know these that did stopover at Alnmouth shown in the Newspaper article clearly know about a Burbage system.(you dont)
As regarding the mention of them parking around the Village well it seems the Police dont have a problem with that so its just local residents getting annoyed but these locals live in a tourist spot so have to expect visitors.

 

[maingate]

We were just doing an overnight stop on our way to Scotland and thought we were nicely out of anyone's way.
Other dog walkers there were mumbling about how wed parked taking up space.
I admit that if we'd arrived in daylight I would have parked differently but there was still plenty of room and we'd planned to leave after breakfast anyway.
Part of me wanted to stay another night in retaliation for their bad grace - but as I say my wife bore the brunt of the abuse and wanted away ASAP.

I had exactly the same thing when overnighting at Boulmer in Northumberland about 9 years ago. A bloke turned up in a car, made a wisecrack and continued walking his dog on the Dunes. There happened to be a woman from the village present and she told me that dog walkers arrive from local villages, let their dogs crap everywhere and never pick up after them. The villagers hate them. The bloke returned an hour later, without a poo bag, so his Labrador must have been constipated. In this instance the villagers were happy with motorhomers and angry at locals.

 

[mariesnowgoose]

I had exactly the same thing when overnighting at Boulmer in Northumberland about 9 years ago. A bloke turned up in a car, made a wisecrack and continued walking his dog on the Dunes. There happened to be a woman from the village present and she told me that dog walkers arrive from local villages, let their dogs crap everywhere and never pick up after them. The villagers hate them. The bloke returned an hour later, without a poo bag, so his Labrador must have been constipated. In this instance the villagers were happy with motorhomers and angry at locals.

We had same at Boulmer. The locals were pretty welcoming - the one nice clean public loo was looked after voluntarily by one of them.
But there are other 'locals' who aren't. Same everywhere.

So Marie are we now saying anyone in a Motorhome who has chanced an overnight anywhere not just Alnmouth is branded by you as a Covidiot.So are all members on Wildcamping Covidiots now?
How do you know how long the ones shown in the article have been a Motorhome owner (you dont).They might be new owners who need a little educating in whats right or wrong relating to stopovers, yes but that doesnt make them a Covididiot. How do you know these that did stopover at Alnmouth shown in the Newspaper article clearly know about a Burbage system.(you dont)
As regarding the mention of them parking around the Village well it seems the Police dont have a problem with that so its just local residents getting annoyed but these locals live in a tourist spot so have to expect visitors.

No, I'm not saying that, I'm just making an educated guess and I would be prepared to wager a fair whack I'm close to the mark.

You don't need to be either a recent or an experienced camper owner to be able to understand a big sign right in front of your nose that says 'no overnight parking', unless you don't speak English and can't read.

If you don't understand the signage then you are either a plain idiot or a chancer by parking overnight, regardless of the vehicle you're driving.

Under the new covid regime, and taking into account the huge upsurge in people suddenly wanting campers, I'd say it's a reasonable assumption that at least some of those campervans overnighting at Alnmouth are also new to the game and therefore in the covidiot category in my book, i.e. showing a lack of respect for both the place they are visiting and the people who live there and are responsible for that particular car park.

 

[Nabsim]

Was it me I would think it better to have motorhomes parked overnight for a small fee then moved in the day. During the day you get a big (mainly) white eyesore parked blocking your view