Bettws-y-Coed, almost an Aire.

[haydn williams]

Hi

I to use this Car park many time over Several Years and have had no problems, but if you do have to move on, Rynys Farm is only a short run from their, The Campsite opposite the Conway Falls Tel; 01690 710218 (Carol)
From, The other Haydn (Bessybongo2)

 

[Deleted member 967]

i've just been advised by the park ranger having just spent the night here with two other vans that we will be losing this spot soon as the local campsite owner has spent the last three years persuading the local authority to stop us stopping over nighting, there will be signs going up soon once the bylaw has been passed and will be effective in all of the snowdon national park car parks.
This is not the park authority but the local authority responding to pressure from local campsite owners.

I mentioned this to Andy (Islandman) and received this reply.
Do you have evidence to support Snowdonia National Park Authority are intending doing this "they have been pestered to stop overnight Motorhome parking at Betws-y-Coed.by a local campsite operator" if so there is a case.

and this reply from Snowdonia National Park Authority

Car Park Name: Cae Llan CP Location: Station Road, Betws y Coed Map Ref: SH794565 Spaces 61

Dear Mr Thompson

Re: Freedom of Information Request

I write further to your freedom of information request concerning car parks and motorhomes, dated 16th of November 2013.

Please find attached a list of the car parks run by Snowdonia National Park Authority. In answer to your specific questions, I can respond as follows:

1. There are height restrictors on 3 of them, namely: Morfa Dyffryn, Llanelltyd and Farchynys.
2. In a pay and display car park we would usually expect a vehicle to pay for the amount of spaces it uses.
3. There are public toilet provision in those sites highlighted yellow on the list.
4. There are no provisions for toilet waste disposals.
5. There are no specific spaces aimed at motorhomes or caravans.
6. No.
7. Blue badge holders are permitted to park free of charge.
8. We do not encourage overnight parking as it takes away business from local camp sites
9. Many of the car parks are in rural areas where the roads are narrow.
10. No weight limits apply to motor homes, although sheer size may be a factor on some sites.

We cannot provide you with copies of TROs, as we do not have any in place on our car parks. However, in our fee paying car parks contractual obligations apply to car park users which are enforced by a car parks enforcement team.

 

[Deleted member 967]

Devastated to read that Betws-y-Coed car park is in danger of being closed to Motorhomes. I was struck by the comment "Forgive my ignorance but do we [as in wildcamping] have an organised pressure group petitioning councils etc ? If not , I think all like minded organisations should pool resources . Maybe one day the uk could be as campervan friendly as France !" I put a request for information on another forum and one of the administrators is trying to get in touch with Conwy County Borough Council with an FOI request. Is there anyway we can back this up to show a united front since this is one of the closest things to an Aire I have come across, and in a brilliant location.

This was the prime intention of setting up Motor Caravan Tourism Organisation

I have been contacting every council and parking provider with Freedom of Information Requests as follows

Particular items of information especially relevant are:
1. Height restrictions. Are there any car parks available that would allow vehicles over 2m high and 2.5m wide to enter and their location.
2. Requirements for parking within bay confines (including any requirement for purchasing two parking tickets where the length of a vehicle means that it overhangs a second bay at its rear).
3. Any provision of toilet,
4. Any provision of waste disposal facilities.(such as used by coaches)
5. Any provision of spaces specifically aimed at motorhomes and/or caravans./trailers
6. Is there any ban on trailers using the parking area (category O1 up to 750kg and O2 up to 3500kg)
7. Any parking provision for disabled drivers/users in Motorhomes (Blue Badge holders) on or off street .
8. Any provision for (or ban on) overnight parking and whether or not sleeping/eating in the vehicle is allowed
9. Restricted access caused by narrow roads/entrances.
10. Weight Limits. These vehicles range from approx. 1800 Kg maximum laden weigh in three groups. 1) up to 3500 kg, 2.) up to 7500 kg and 3.) above 7500 kg to 12000 kg maximum laden weight.
Would it be possible for you to also provide copies of, or links to, your Traffic Regulation Orders (TROs) that are currently applicable with relation to the above issues

The information received is being displayed on the Parking map on that site and we also have a Helpful and un-helpful council section on the forum.

This is a free site and is in no way in competition with any other forum. We welcome support from all motorhome users, other forums and the trade.

This was the way the French did it.

The Motorhome Association in NI has had great success with setting up Aires over there.

 

[Aikidoamigo]

any space or access restrictions in Betwys?

We visit my mother their regularly and it would be great if we could start to use this.

Cheers:banana:

 

[Smaug]

any space or access restrictions in Betwys?

We visit my mother their regularly and it would be great if we could start to use this.

Cheers:banana:

Not really, it is a public car park & Bus terminal so if Crosville's best can access it, I doubt that many motorhomes would struggle! You go past the little shopping area & the Station entrance to the overflow car park at the rear & at the far end there are places set aside for several motorhomes. £2 will get you 2 hours stay & £4 will get you all day - that's 24 hours in my reckoning . . .

The car park by the station & shops is free, but you are less likely to be disturbed down the far end, altho we did have a car driving up & down quite noisily for about 15 mins when we were there. The trains are noisy too, but don't run late, the last one we heard was about 9 or 9.30 pm.

 

[Deleted member 967]

Result of Freedom of Information request to Conwy Council

Mixed messages here from (Cyngor Bwrdeistef Sirol) CONWY County Borough Council


Any provision of spaces specifically aimed at motorhomes and/or caravans./trailers

There are 5 designated motor home bays located in Morfa Bach Car Park, Conwy.

Any provision for (or ban on) overnight parking and whether or not sleeping/eating in the vehicle is allowed

Overnight parking is allowed in all Conwy County Borough Council owned car parks, for which there is normally a charge (see Conwy website for more details). However, sleeping and eating is prohibited in all car parks. Motor homes are prohibited on the Parade in Llandudno between 24:00 and 08:00.

There is a Traffic Regulation Orders prohibiting waiting of camping vehicles between 12 midnight and 8am on the following roads in the County Borough, there is no prohibition of eating or sleeping in the Traffic Regulation Order

Happy Valley Road, Llandudno – for its entire length,
North Parade, Llandudno – for its entire length,
The Parade / Colwyn Road, Llandudno – from its junction with North Parade to its junction with Ffynnon Sadwrn Lane,
Marine Drive, Llandudno – from its junction with Abbey Road to Toll Gate Lodge,
West Parade, Llandudno –for its entire length,
Abbey Road, Llandudno – from its junction with West Parade to its junction with Church Walks,
Gloddaeth Road, Llandudno – from it junction with West parade to its junction with Great Ormes Road,
Lloyd Street West, Llandudno – from its junction with West Parade to its Junction with Great Ormes Road,
Great Orms Road, Llandudno – from its junctions with Abbey Road and Gloddaeth Avenue, and its junction between Lloyd Street and Trinity Crescent.
Dale Road, Llandudno – for its entire length,
Trinity Crescent, Llandudno – for its entire length,
Tudor Road, Llandudno – for its entire length,
Fynnon Sadwrn Lane, Llandudno – for its entire length,
Nant-y-Gamar Road, Llandudno – from its junction with Colwyn Road to its junction with Bodafon Road,
Marine Drive, Penrhyn Bay – from it junction with Penrhyn Avenue to its junction with Trillo Avenue,
Rhos Promenade / West Promenade, Rhos-on-Sea – from its junction with Trillo Avenue to its junction with Cayley promenade,
Cayley Promenade, Rhos-on-Sea – for its entire length.

In the Traffic Regulation Order “Camping vehicles” means any caravan, caravanette, campervan or any other form of vehicle which has been made or adapted as a camping vehicle or to sleep in.

Weight Limits. Vehicles over 1.5 Ton unladen weight are prohibited in all car parks.

Requirements for parking within bay confines (including any requirement for purchasing two parking tickets where the length of a vehicle means that it overhangs a second bay at its rear).

Vehicles must be parked wholly within one marked bay; parking other than wholly within a marked bay will incur a charge.

Any provision of waste disposal facilities.(such as used by coaches)

There is a waste disposal facility in the Builder Street Coach Park, Llandudno for the use of coaches only.

The car park at Betws-y-Coed is listed by the council on its parking website, but no provision for Motorhomes or large vehicles in indicated in the above FOI reply. Can anyone let me have photos of the signs or info of any proposals to remove parking there.

John

 

[AustinP]

Hi all, does anyone know if this is still a place to stop? looking at short notice stopover there on friday. Thanks

 

[AustinP]

In addition to last post, still available to stay in, buy you're not permitted to camp overnight (just until 2359) and its a fiver for 24 hrs.

Car park attendant did speak to me in the morning, but as I'd arrived early doors on Sat, I hadn't "technically" stayed overnight...