Armitages A Frame - Smart Car Fire - Locksmiths Bad Luck Strikes again.

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After the Brownhills are Downhills saga I hoped for a quiet life, Mandy is now in remission and we are trying to make the most of our motorhome that Brownhills supplied to us with the very best after service possible.
Last Thursday 28th of April my son and I went to Armitages West Yorkshire to have a tow bar and A frame fitted to my just purchased Smart Car, we left Bury St Edmunds for the 170 mile drive at around 5.30 am to get to Armitages by 9am. The Manager (Wayne) met us and went around the two vehicles to list anything on the vehicle’s (marks dents etc.) before they start work on fitting the A frame to the Smart Car and the tow bar and electrics to the Motorhome, he commented how they were both in very good order.
Armitages lend you a courtesy car so you can go off for the day while they do the work.
My son and I drove to York and spent the best part of the day there and returned to Armitages a 3pm as they said all would be ready by 3.30pm, we waited till 4.30 …. Still not ready …. Then the secretary of Armiages came and said the Smart Car is ready we will do you a demo of how everything works while the engineers finish putting the tow bar on the Motorhome.
We ran through the demo all seemed OK I then went and paid for the two things with my debit card and waited for the motorhome the time was 4.52pm, at 5.10pm the motorhome was driven out to the smart car and our second demo started. The engineers and other were running about like headless chickens trying to lock up the depot, the next day being the Royal wedding and a holiday they wanted to get away, anyways the chap doing the demo connected me up to the motorhome and said now put the car in neutral, hand break off this done he checked it all and showed me how to put a bungee from the seat to the break pedal after which he hurried me into the motorhome to test drive towing the Smart car. I pulled away and was amazed how easy it was and I braked as instructed but noticed it was not so easy to pull away after that but continued on my test laps of the car park until he appeared and waved me down to check the linkage and do any adjustments, I told him after the first time I braked it seemed harder to then pull away, he said it was because I was not used to towing the car behind and I needed to give it more welly.
At this point the linkage brake cable was very loose so he adjusted it and went inside the car to check the bungee etc. he then asked me if I had any spanners and that I should check the adjustment two or three times on my way home, he then shook my hand and wished me luck and I climbed back in the motor home and pulled away.
My son and I got onto the A1 quite quickly and headed south, I was disappointed as I was struggling to get above 50mph, we had got about ten miles along the road and I saw this juggernaut behind me flashing his lights, he then came along side me waving frantically, I looked in my reversing camera everything looked fine with the Smart but I pulled over at the next layby, I got out walked to the back of the motorhome and could smell hot breaks but when I got to the Smart Car there were flames coming from the rear wheel hubs and the hubs were glowing red hot, a lorry driver pulled up behind and jumped out with water to try and extinguish the car but the rear plastic body was well alight, it was to far gone to save it, I raced and unhitched the car and drove the motorhome away further along the layby,
As I got out I saw my son taking a picture with his phone, a split second later the car exploded and we couldn’t see a thing getting back in the motorhome out of the thick black smoke. My son called 999 and I called Armitages and got hold of Wayne telling him what had happened giving him a running commentary whilst moving the motorhome again as there were further explosions. The Police arrived with the fire brigade, I told Wayne this disaster has got to be down to him and could he call me back as the Police want to talk to me, he said yes of course and kept saying he was so sorry.
I explained to the policeman what work I had had done and he looked at the receipt and his watch 5. 35 and said that it was only 40 minutes ago that you paid for it!
I gave the policeman a statement and he suggested I call Armitages to get them over here with there insurance to clear this mess up.
Wayne arrived about an hour later having to queue in the 10 mile tail backs each way and all he could say was how sorry he was and started taking pictures at which stage he then said to me in front of my son and the Highway’s agency that there is a kink in the brake line they fitted. Wayne carried on saying how sorry he was and he would sort it all out and get us a courtesy car he then asked the Highways Agency if my son and I could go home as we had 160miles to go, we got home and had to explain why we looked like coal miners and our cloths had burns from the sparks.
I have tried to get hold of Wayne since Wednesday but he is always with a client but have since learned he is not excepting liability, I have talked with other A frame fitters and one in particular has said that Armitages have had problems like this before but because it has happened a week or a month later they have said it has been down to the customer not adjusting the set up correctly and have not paid out, in my case it was all done by them…. The case continues.
 

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That was really unfortunate, but I guess could have been a lot worse if it'd have caught your motorhome too.

Did you mean it happened last May (as above) or last April? (few days ago) as if its taken a year and still unsorted then thats shocking.

Hope you get the matter resolved soon.
 
That was really unfortunate, but I guess could have been a lot worse if it'd have caught your motorhome too.

Did you mean it happened last May (as above) or last April? (few days ago) as if its taken a year and still unsorted then thats shocking.

Hope you get the matter resolved soon.

sorry, it was last Thursday the 28th of may
 
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If you cant get the date right, how do you expect to even win the case
today is the 06 of MAY 2011 :drive:
The last Thursday in April was the 28th
 
If you cant get the date right, how do you expect to even win the case
today is the 06 of MAY 2011 :drive:
The last Thursday in April was the 28th

Thank you for that and your right .. put May by mistake but it was last Thursday the 28th April .. a little upset and not thinking clearly.
 
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Well after all the recent threads about the use of A-frames - their legality and safety - does anyone else REALLY want to use one of these?

If ever proof was needed that they're a bad idea, here it is :(

The other unfortunate part of the saga is that Locksmith used a debit card to pay.

All consumer groups will tell you that you must use a CREDIT card to pay for high value goods and services - that way if a supplier defaults, as appears to be the case here, the credit card company is liable.

Take heed!
 
Well after all the recent threads about the use of A-frames - their legality and safety - does anyone else REALLY want to use one of these?

If ever proof was needed that they're a bad idea, here it is :(

The other unfortunate part of the saga is that Locksmith used a debit card to pay.

All consumer groups will tell you that you must use a CREDIT card to pay for high value goods and services - that way if a supplier defaults, as appears to be the case here, the credit card company is liable.

Take heed!

It has scared me so much, more of what could and nearly happened. you are right about the credit card also.
 
We are so sorry to here this mate
owning and using a motorhome should be stress free
lets hope that you have a similar outcome with this as you did with brownhills
best of luck
WENDY& KEITH
 
We are so sorry to here this mate
owning and using a motorhome should be stress free
lets hope that you have a similar outcome with this as you did with brownhills
best of luck
WENDY& KEITH
Thanks Wendy and Keith, we have had a few nice weeks in the motorhome and love it. I'm really not sure about towing a car behind now after this.
 
Thanks Wendy and Keith, we have had a few nice weeks in the motorhome and love it. I'm really not sure about towing a car behind now after this.

WHY not try a couple of fold up electric bikes,( as we have ) ok they may only do a round trip of about 15 miles but they do us, and they would fit in your garage in the motorhome no problem , get the right bikes and you dont have to pedal just swist and go
 
i have been using a frames for over 30yrs .both commercially and private .i have a very early inter trade frame bought second hand in 1980. also have an harvey frost towboy .dollie. have pullede cars and vans all over uk and eu. never had a problem . there is no mistaking a badly fitted frame or careless use can cause problems . continual mirror use is essential.
as to now i prefer a mini artic camper . have 7 seater for use as car and a lovelly 20ft trailer as the living space .yet still under 10mtrs.
bit of bad luck for locksmiths lets hope they get a good result.
but do you have the right vehicle if you need to tow a car. i,ve used my artic since 2001 and cant think of a better way to travel. can be driven on an old car licence.
 
i have been using a frames for over 30yrs .both commercially and private .i have a very early inter trade frame bought second hand in 1980. also have an harvey frost towboy .dollie. have pullede cars and vans all over uk and eu. never had a problem . there is no mistaking a badly fitted frame or careless use can cause problems . continual mirror use is essential.
as to now i prefer a mini artic camper . have 7 seater for use as car and a lovelly 20ft trailer as the living space .yet still under 10mtrs.
bit of bad luck for locksmiths lets hope they get a good result.
but do you have the right vehicle if you need to tow a car. i,ve used my artic since 2001 and cant think of a better way to travel. can be driven on an old car licence.
Those of you who know me, know my wife has terminal cancer (Brain Tumour) and although we enjoy traveling and moving on daily when we go to some sites we wish to stay the week and my wife just need's to rest making it awkward to get provisions, this is why I thought a Smart towed behind would be good but I must admit I think I may stick to just the motorhome.
 
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Sorry to read that mate, As an alternative you could get a small purpose built trailer and another smart?
 
Just been told that Armitages remove a section of the car and replace it with box section steel that is threaded and tapped out to take the A frame thus destroying the the safety cage that is the biggest safety feature of the smart car. I have been told this is illegal and if the car were inspected and this came to light it would not be allowed on the road.
 
Well that'll be a useful "bargaining tool" if they dont play ball.
 
I have heard very little on the safety side of towing with an A frame till I posted this on here but more as to whether or not it is legal. After talking to Armitages prior to having the A frame fitted I decided to go with them because they had all the answers. I have also just read a sheet of fitting the A frame, handed to me when I was leaving Armitages that say's they are not responsible for damage caused from an A frame being fitted incorrectly by a customer, this I except.
It now seems they do not except responsibility for their own fitting either, this is unacceptable.
 
The issue of non-acceptance, I think, is a direct consequence of having insurance cover. Insurers are not keen on their customers admitting liability when they have to foot the bill. Indeed, accepting liability can invalidate insurance cover.

I am so sorry to hear about what locksmith is having to suffer, the more so when it is no fault of his own.



Polly
 
Well, now that canalsman has kicked you when you are down, perhaps time for some positives.

With proper attention to detail, a-framing a small vehicle behind the motorhome is THE most convenient way to do it. Hundreds of thousands of Americans do it, thousands of Australians do it and of course a few Europeans do it as well. You have problems with legality which is another consideration that really can't be ignored.
I've A-framed a Suzuki Grand Vitara for probably 25000km around Australia on roads so bad that most people would consider them undriveable with absolutely no problems.

One thing I always do is start off and when we are just moving, depress the clutch and see what happens. If the rig coasts as normal, then the toad brakes aren't on and it is not in gear. (once, Betty didn't get the transfer case fully in Neutral and since instructions are to have the main gearbox in 2nd, this meant that the car was in gear and this was immediately obvious from the slowdown even though the whole rig weighs 17 tonnes.) Next, make as sharp a turn as possible and check in the mirrors that the front wheels are turning.

On a practical level in your case. Is the smart car fully insured? If so, then obviously most of the problems become ones for your insurance company to sort out and you should save yourself the worry and let them do it. Obviously there will still be comeback on that company for compensation for your out of pocket expenses and insurance shortfalls and incidentals, but that isn't going to be as bad as trying to sort it all out yourself.

Also, depending on your thoughts and whether the company does the right thing in a very short time, would it help if we had contact details of the company and many of us wrote emails to them letting them know we had learned of the case on the internet and were very concerned about the way the case seemed to be progressing etc etc etc. I would have thought that having the details of the case aired on several UK forums with tens of thousands of motorhome owners might be a good incentive for them to do the right thing and do it immediately.
 
Well, now that canalsman has kicked you when you are down, perhaps time for some positives.

With proper attention to detail, a-framing a small vehicle behind the motorhome is THE most convenient way to do it. Hundreds of thousands of Americans do it, thousands of Australians do it and of course a few Europeans do it as well. You have problems with legality which is another consideration that really can't be ignored.
I've A-framed a Suzuki Grand Vitara for probably 25000km around Australia on roads so bad that most people would consider them undriveable with absolutely no problems.

One thing I always do is start off and when we are just moving, depress the clutch and see what happens. If the rig coasts as normal, then the toad brakes aren't on and it is not in gear. (once, Betty didn't get the transfer case fully in Neutral and since instructions are to have the main gearbox in 2nd, this meant that the car was in gear and this was immediately obvious from the slowdown even though the whole rig weighs 17 tonnes.) Next, make as sharp a turn as possible and check in the mirrors that the front wheels are turning.

On a practical level in your case. Is the smart car fully insured? If so, then obviously most of the problems become ones for your insurance company to sort out and you should save yourself the worry and let them do it. Obviously there will still be comeback on that company for compensation for your out of pocket expenses and insurance shortfalls and incidentals, but that isn't going to be as bad as trying to sort it all out yourself.

Also, depending on your thoughts and whether the company does the right thing in a very short time, would it help if we had contact details of the company and many of us wrote emails to them letting them know we had learned of the case on the internet and were very concerned about the way the case seemed to be progressing etc etc etc. I would have thought that having the details of the case aired on several UK forums with tens of thousands of motorhome owners might be a good incentive for them to do the right thing and do it immediately.

I would be grateful to anything that would speed this process along. Thank you.

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