Are councils finally getting it?

[Fisherman]

It doesn't matter what I say Bill so I wouldn't take much notice.

I can kick and scream to my hearts content about the right to roam and my hopes for wildcamping - the world marches on. If that is the future though - ie, camping on Aires (sites) then it won't be for me. I will switch to B&B's for holidays with Julie, tents and the motorcycle for true wildcamping and the boat for the nearest thing I can get to wildcamping in a campervan.

Its possible Rob, that these Aires will help take pressure of towns and village areas that are being overused. Aires will also take pressure of the type of locations in rural areas that we both enjoy. But bottom line Rob, we must somehow increase the amount of places where we can park up. There are three ways to do that. Build Aires, remove the restrictions, or a combination of both.
B&Bs, you would be banned from here

 

[Fisherman]

You're getting to be a bit of a flossiffer Wully!

Does that mean Wully flosses his teef

 

[st3v3]

the creation of Aires all over the place, then wildcampers will be ushered onto them by the powers that be.

I think you're right, they'll try. However, much like our Irish accented friends who are provided sites, people won't use it on the whole. The price and location have to be right which would make it a loser from a business point of view, so it just won't happen. We don't have the vast open green spaces they do en France.

Your suggestion of a small charge dump/refill site is IMO the perfect solution, and then let people park wherever the hell they like. After all, the reason we currently can't is toilet waste on the carpark etc....

Man with one chopstick go hungry.

Man who go to sleep with itchy bum wake up with smelly finger.

If say 90% of the barriers and restrictions were removed tomorrow

See my first point ref Irish accented....

There needs to be a huge law change that enables the immediate removal of anyone who stays longer than 48hrs on penalty of death. That solves literally everything and for some bizarre reason just won't happen.

I should add I feel that's as important for the full timer types as much as anyone.

 

[Fisherman]

I think you're right, they'll try. However, much like our Irish accented friends who are provided sites, people won't use it on the whole. The price and location have to be right which would make it a loser from a business point of view, so it just won't happen. We don't have the vast open green spaces they do en France.

Your suggestion of a small charge dump/refill site is IMO the perfect solution, and then let people park wherever the hell they like. After all, the reason we currently can't is toilet waste on the carpark etc....



Man who go to sleep with itchy bum wake up with smelly finger.



See my first point ref Irish accented....

There needs to be a huge law change that enables the immediate removal of anyone who stays longer than 48hrs on penalty of death. That solves literally everything and for some bizarre reason just won't happen.

I should add I feel that's as important for the full timer types as much as anyone.

And there’s the rub, yes we need people to think differently towards us, open up most of the carparks, but will this happen with councils festooned with people who don’t seem to like us, who reckon we are freeloaders who add little to local economies, whilst not applying these standards to anyone else. Will all of that happen, I doubt It. But we need more places to park. It’s a conundrum worthy of good debate, open minds, but most importantly pragmatism.

 

[trevskoda]

That doesn't bother me Brian. There are people on the forums that don't even have a motorhome. Anybody is allowed within reason.

I do get where you are coming from though when discussions on a Wildcamping forum could possibly (and it's an opinion not a statement of fact), damage what the forum is essentially about. However, forums do evolve as does everything else unfortunately, so we may have to reluctantly move with the times!

Even me, mind you camping in your day was tough.

 

[st3v3]

but will this happen with councils festooned with people who don’t seem to like us,

I think the number of these type of people has been hugely over-stated. Mostly by councillors who own campsites. Oh, and the press. Don't forget the press...

I really try and talk to people whenever we go anywhere and have never had any negative.

 

[Fisherman]

I think the number of these type of people has been hugely over-stated. Mostly by councillors who own campsites. Oh, and the press. Don't forget the press...

I really try and talk to people whenever we go anywhere and have never had any negative.

Well for me the press are are biggest problem, they influence the public and councillors are merely members of the public who are also influenced by that same media. Then as you say campsite owners play their part with their anecdotal evidence regarding poor behaviour from us which as Tom has highlighted is rarely verified.
It’s unlikely that when talking to us that you will get an honest reply, they are unlikely to be frank when confronted by one of us personally. I have only twice met any hostility.
Bottom line if we were popular with local councils or even tolerated more then thousands of carparks that are denied to us would be available.
Also councillors are understandably sensitive to the opinions of their constituents, and the more vociferous constituents tend not to take kindly to motorhomes parked in their areas. This all ads up to councils that have a bias against us in most areas. Hopefully this will improve in years to come.

 

[Fisherman]

Even me, mind you camping in your day was tough.View attachment 103292

Looks like the CCC were right after all Trev, wild camping is generally not tolerated in the U.K., is that you Trev to the right on horseback swinging your rifle in the air.

 

[alcam]

Thread 32. 33not sure about the pure enough. What has my opinion to do with pure. To me if you have a motorhome and you use aires pub parks car parks etc you are a motorhome forum person. If you have a motorhome and ,to use the expression wild camp then you are a wild camping forum person. This is why I asked people’s opinions of what they define wild camping as. So I may learn that my opinions may be right or need changing. Not to be pure judgemental etc. This is my opinion and I am not judging people by what they do Or say. It is starting to appear that if you have a different opinion to someone you are opening the door to attacks My opinion. Brian

Not sure if anyone has actually attacked you ?
But you do come over as a bit puritanical/fundamentalist ? Which , of course , you are perfectly entitled to do .
I think the term is very flexible . The centre of Paris or Barcelona can be pretty wild

 

[Fisherman]

Not sure if anyone has actually attacked you ?
But you do come over as a bit puritanical/fundamentalist ? Which , of course , you are perfectly entitled to do .
I think the term is very flexible . The centre of Paris or Barcelona can be pretty wild

It’s the way we communicate online. No facial expressions, subtle changes of tone, or any body language. Just words written down that are easily misinterpreted sometimes.

 

[peter palance]

Sleeping overnight due to being tired is legal in the highway code, but wildcamping is not unless permission from land owner, so nothing outside van and you are ok on places with no yellow lines or legal sineage.

hope you are ready for this. cold nites are on the way- side. rite orr wrong.get your long johnns out, or you will have a cold butt. stay safe. ok.pj

 

[peter palance]

I don't think we will know for a couple of years Brian, but my fear is that the locals attitude to wildcampers will be "We pay all of this money to provide Aires and they freeload in laybys...". Then they will put pressure on councils to enforce, which in my case will be making me pay for something which I probably don't want ie. a campsite!

I may be wrong and it may seem irrational to some, but I am a cynic by nature and deeply suspicious of the motives of councils.

bee-ing you are a cynic and deeply suspicious. i will let you move on to the next aire--y,all things be-ing . not to wild-camp. moving movingmoving. ok.pj

 

[martinmartin]

Peter, l cannot make head nor tail of what you say unless l read it as spoken like Frazer off Dads Army,just read the whole thread though and it looks like we're all doomed.

 

[trevskoda]

Peter, l cannot make head nor tail of what you say unless l read it as spoken like Frazer off Dads Army,just read the whole thread though and it looks like we're all doomed.

Trained at Bletchley hall.

 

[martinmartin]

Trained at Bletchley hall.

After decoding that it reads farty towers.

 

[trevskoda]

After decoding that it reads farty towers.

Piggy on the roof.

 

[MrSoapsud]

Fancy that - some local camp site owners are not impressed with the Gywnedd Aires proposal - https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/gwynedd-plan-tackle-campervan-motorhome-22102978
They're concerned that they'll lose business and since we all paid over £40k for our motorhomes (!) we can afford £20+ per night for all the facilities (and screaming kids) of a "proper" camp site! That's even after most of them were booked up solid all summer, but that's ok because we can plan ahead and book in advance apparently! At least one of the site owners (who also has a MH) is in favour and made some sensible remarks.

 

[RichardHelen262]

Why don’t these campsite owners understand the reason I bought a motorhome is so that I don’t need to use a campsite,
If I only had the option of using campsites all the time then I would sell the motorhome and go back to package holidays abroad.
So trying to stop us using alternative places isn’t going to force me into using campsites.

 

[Norfolk NewBoy]

I would encourage folk to read the comments: probably 40% are positive and some of the negative ones show a complete lack of understanding.
To quote Tony Blair "Education, education, education"!

Gordon

 

[GreggBear]

So even though these sites were booked to capacity last year, they still don't want people to be allowed to park anywhere else. How greedy are they? Surely, fully booked is as good as it gets, these people's input should be ignored when making the decision as they are obviously motivated by greed. As for " people who spend 40k on a motorhome should be able to afford to stay on a site", I'm so fed up of hearing that. My bus cost nowhere near that figure to build, but even if it had I built it so that I wouldn't need to use facilities provided for me as I'm self sufficient. I wouldn't want to use sites if they were free, I get away in my bus to get away from other people & their noise & nasty habits. As for us parking"where we have no legal right to be" as long as my vehicle is road legal I have every right to park in most laybys & streets, surely a carpark is preferable to outside someone's house
I read an article this week that implied I have no legal right to stop people parking on my private drive, yet I'm threatened with being moved on from perfectly legal public carparks with no access or obstruction issues. This country is a beautiful place, but sadly the authorities that seem to think they should own every square inch of it are all without exception, rotten to the core....