A little Puzzeled - Gaslow

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We have a 2 x 11kg system, we were out at the weekend, checked the tank levels which were showing a quarter full, as we are going to France for 3 weeks shortly decided to fill up the tanks at our local ASDA. only got 10 litres in before the pump cut off. I checked the gauges and they showed just under half full. Have I got faulty gauges or do you think there could be a fault in the system. I posted last year that the tanks took an age to fill up. Cheers Andy
 
Pour hot water down the side of the cylinder and you can feel the level of the gas with your fingers by the change in temperature. Does save getting them out to check. I only have one 11kg and a spare calor 3.5kg bottle. Don't think the gauge are that accurate but the new bottles have a proper gauge built in which shows the level. It takes ages to fill a 11kg one.
 
Hi Thanks for your replies, don't fancy trying to take them out, so will try the hot water and see what it shows thanks again
 
Im watching this with interest.
Had two 6.5 kg refillables installed at Thirsk and took advise from company and only have 1 cylinder open.
I have wild camped 3 nights and on sites 5 nights. To date the gauge hasn't moved from full. The installer did say the gauge wont read until the cylinder is down to approx 1/2 full but i must say the gas seems to be lasting a lot longer than when on the normal exchange cylinders.
 
Hi had a exactly the same problems filling in scotland ,yes it was the pump that was faulty ,moved to another garage and filled no problem, I wonder if their is a lack of maintenance due to low sales. Bazz
 
Im watching this with interest.
Had two 6.5 kg refillables installed at Thirsk and took advise from company and only have 1 cylinder open.
I have wild camped 3 nights and on sites 5 nights. To date the gauge hasn't moved from full. The installer did say the gauge wont read until the cylinder is down to approx 1/2 full but i must say the gas seems to be lasting a lot longer than when on the normal exchange cylinders.
My gaslow 13kg shows full until there is about six kg in it: when it then shows empty!
John
 
Gaslow gauge.

Wish I new hot water trick. Gauge is naff.
 
My gauge ceased to work, so regularly top up. Mind you, wasn't accurate so pretty useless!!
 
My Gas It gauges ( fairly new 3 months old ) work fine and seem pretty accurate.

From full they go down gradually and after showing empty for a couple of days the first one took 10.92 litres to re-fill.

Their info says 11.50 litres approx ( 80% ) to re-fill so that`s close enough for me.


P.S.

Should have said 6KG bottles.
 
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Gaslow

I have an electric sensor on mine it tells me when the bottles have changed over, never seen the gauges up at the top end.
 
We have GasLow and were also told the gauge does not start to drop until tanks are half empty. We fill up on the way home after a couple of days away, and sometimes it's only £2 but we know we always set off with a full cylinder (11kg) and we carry a half full cylinder which we could use if we needed to. When abroad, we fill up usually whenever we get the chance, say every 2 or 3 days. Again, only a couple of Euros usually, but better safe than sorry!

Marydot
 
The only accurate way of establishing the amount of gas left in a cylinder is to weigh. I.e on the side of the bottle will be the tare weight (net weight) on a gaslow system I would expect the weight to include the weight of the regulator too. subtract tare from actual weight will give an indication of what is left.

Gauges are at best, a poor indication for the following reasons.

Gas Bottles are filled with liquid gas, 80% at full, the remaining 20% is vapour. (which is where the water trick comes in )..The gauges measure vapour pressure, which explains why the gauges dont drop. when the gas becomes close to empty there is a slight Vapour pressure drop which triggers the gauge. This still doesnt indicate what is left only a VP drop. So don't expect it to tell you 1 kg or 2 etc.

There is another factor to consider too, and that is the Vapour pressure will change with atmospheric conditions i.e atmospheric pressure and temperature will vary. there is no contingency built into the gauges to compensate for this, result inaccurate readings. An extreme example is butane in winter, There can be plenty of gas in the bottle, but low temperatures stop it from gassing so guess what bottle shows empty on the gauge!

Spring balance scales and the technique described first paragraph is the only accurate indicator.

Channa

P.s the reason the water trick works, is that lpg gasses through drawing heat through the wall of the bottle ( wetted area) it is the temperature difference between the wetted area and remaining gas which shows visually on the side of the bottle when hot water is poured down it.

To go completely off topic seeing as I am on one, my explanation of how LPG gasses drawing heat is why we dont wrap bottles in insulation in winter it has the opposite to desired effect.
 
The gauges measure vapour pressure, which explains why the gauges dont drop.

This isn't the case with GasIt bottles - they use a float system which in my experience reflects the opinion above. The gauge is very accurate and refill amounts almost exactly reflect the amount that the gauge says has been consumed.

Well done GasIt :D
 
This isn't the case with GasIt bottles - they use a float system which in my experience reflects the opinion above. The gauge is very accurate and refill amounts almost exactly reflect the amount that the gauge says has been consumed.

Well done GasIt :D

Hence my comments were more aimed at Gaslow and general gauges the "almost exactly" you refer too is explained by the temperature/ pressure variation I referred too.

Out of interest, I have never seen a comparison but is there a big difference in cost between the two systems and refills?

Channa
 
As I understand it the GasIt systems are cheaper than Gaslow. Refill costs will of course be the same ...
 
Hence my comments were more aimed at Gaslow and general gauges the "almost exactly" you refer too is explained by the temperature/ pressure variation I referred too.

Out of interest, I have never seen a comparison but is there a big difference in cost between the two systems and refills?

Channa


There`s not a lot in it but Gas It are slightly cheaper to start with, possibly because they use Rubber and not Stainless Hoses ?

I went with Gas It because being a Full Member here entitles you to a discount.

Granted it`s not huge ( 5% or Free Euro Adapters ) but every little helps these days as they say.
 
I fitted two 11kg cylinders years ago and they have paid for themselves with ease of filling, cost of gas etc. I run one cylinder at a time and when empty look for a filling station when on route as I could not be bothered faffing about topping up all the time. Depending on weather and usage I have a good idea how much is left and give the cylinder a bit of a test push, as the gauge is not that reliable. It would have made sense just to have one 11kg and a smaller cylinder as a standby but my thoughts at the time of purchase was to spend more time stationary and not need to go off site to fill up. Ain't worked that way but so what.
 
This isn't the case with GasIt bottles - they use a float system which in my experience reflects the opinion above. The gauge is very accurate and refill amounts almost exactly reflect the amount that the gauge says has been consumed.

Well done GasIt :D

from the Gaslow website:
Our new cylinder is fitted with a new mechanically accurate contents gauge.
 

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