Wallasey / New Brighton stopover under threat

[mickymost]

Yes Roodee under Chester council,Helmsley in Yorkshire,Settle,Skipton,Ingleton etc are places we have paid to stay at a reasonable fee so it proves Councils CAN provide parking spaces specifically for Us Motorhomers.Other councils need to take note as more and more people are buying motorhomes as a cheaper and cost effective holiday and everyone needs a break away from their stressfull daily grind of a life.So as others have said on this post with the amount of taxes we hand over to the government on everything we do (including vat on new motorhomes campervans dont forget) then I feel the Government and the council have a duty of care to look after us in this manner.Definately we need a representative board to stand up and put our case forward i/e put pressure on the Government and local councils to be fairer to our Motorhoming community and provide the necessary facilities for us that are lacking at the moment,and NOT KEEP TAKING THE PARKING AREAS AWAY FROM US.


Michael

 

[Fisherman]

I think you are doing to Councils what you accuse them doing to us, in tarnishing them all with the same brush. Several Councils are now permitting motorhomes to stay overnight in the town car parks at a modest cost for a limited number of nights. They may not be where you want them to be, but they do exist. Indeed, I spent two weeks away in September just using these car parks, with just two nights in a CL's to fill and discharge.

Sorry you think that, but that is not my intention.

Each time I hear of a council behaving poorly I direct my comments at that particular council.

Fife Council up here are an example to many others who behave poorly in my honest opinion.

I have read off other good examples on here to, perhaps I should comment on them favourably also.

 

[Fisherman]

Yes Roodee under Chester council,Helmsley in Yorkshire,Settle,Skipton,Ingleton etc are places we have paid to stay at a reasonable fee so it proves Councils CAN provide parking spaces specifically for Us Motorhomers.Other councils need to take note as more and more people are buying motorhomes as a cheaper and cost effective holiday and everyone needs a break away from their stressfull daily grind of a life.So as others have said on this post with the amount of taxes we hand over to the government on everything we do (including vat on new motorhomes campervans dont forget) then I feel the Government and the council have a duty of care to look after us in this manner.Definately we need a representative board to stand up and put our case forward i/e put pressure on the Government and local councils to be fairer to our Motorhoming community and provide the necessary facilities for us that are lacking at the moment,and NOT KEEP TAKING THE PARKING AREAS AWAY FROM US.


Michael

Great post Michael apart from the part about being cheaper and cost effective.

I reckon its actually an expensive way to holiday.

Apart from the expense of purchasing your vehicle you have road tax, insurance, maintenance, break down recovery, site fees, fuel, etc.

 

[mickymost]

Great post Michael apart from the part about being cheaper and cost effective.

I reckon its actually an expensive way to holiday.

Apart from the expense of purchasing your vehicle you have road tax, insurance, maintenance, break down recovery, site fees, fuel, etc.

I agree but it can be cheap or expensive depending on which road you take.One can buy a cheap starter motorhome or can pay an eye watering £50000 to £100000 grand plus,on a motorhome.Tax insurance maintenance etc has to be factored in you are right Fisherman.But the beauty is to be able to suit oneself and not be under time restraint i/e airports etc...on an abroad holiday for example and the evidence that many more people are going the motorhome route speaks for itself.Apparently sales figures of new motorhomes are well up this year!


Michael

 

[Fisherman]

I agree but it can be cheap or expensive depending on which road you take.One can buy a cheap starter motorhome or can pay an eye watering £50000 to £100000 grand plus,on a motorhome.Tax insurance maintenance etc has to be factored in you are right Fisherman.But the beauty is to be able to suit oneself and not be under time restraint i/e airports etc...on an abroad holiday for example and the evidence that many more people are going the motorhome route speaks for itself.Apparently sales figures of new motorhomes are well up this year!


Michael

Of course if your good with vehicles and mechanically minded you can save.

I would love to take the mh abroad one day but that won’t be for a few years once I have exhausted the uk and Ireland.

 

[mickymost]

Of course if your good with vehicles and mechanically minded you can save.

I would love to take the mh abroad one day but that won’t be for a few years once I have exhausted the uk and Ireland.

Fisherman same as us we stick to uk at present due to touring with two house cats who would need pet passports to come abroad with us and her indoors is not keen on getting them vacinated..


Atb Michael

 

[landoboguy]

Last year we went to Musselburgh twice months appart and each time there was a Spanish couple living in a delapadaded caravan. They would get up in the morning and head of to work then come back in the evening. I have no doubt this did not go unnoticed, and this amongst other things led to the harbour now being of bounds.

This is happening at Wallasey

Councils need funding from central government to help finance our requirements, and I don’t see us getting any such funding as things stand.

Agreed, and dont see it happening either, certainly with Wirral Council.

On another note, sone of the houses/flats in that area are far worse state than some vans

 

[Channa]

This is happening at Wallasey


Agreed, and dont see it happening either, certainly with Wirral Council.

On another note, sone of the houses/flats in that area are far worse state than some vans

Councils are strapped for cash it is important they are seen to directly benefit their electorate. It is far easier to spend money on council flats and double glazed windows than promote tourism where the value is a guesstimate It sits easier with the electorate

Motorhomes are double edged sword and a good example of fake news albeit there will be unsavoury users if we are honest , Banning us means councils appear to have a bite as well as a bark good for their voters whether there is justification is of little relevance we know that which leads to my next point the arguments there are campsites satisfy the argument as regards Joe public is concerned

Motorhomers did have a voice quite a vocal one John Thompson being part of it and it eventually folded the reason apathy there is simply not the support either people to dig in their pockets or invest the time required Tom will no doubt comment on that

The Whitby situation we know was inflated by those in power to get their way ,If a motorhome organisation were to take them to high court and evidence they would win financially we fall at the first hurdle

Channa

 

[antiquesam]

This is happening at Wallasey


Agreed, and dont see it happening either, certainly with Wirral Council.

On another note, sone of the houses/flats in that area are far worse state than some vans

I'm not sure why you think Government money is needed. It doesn't cost anything to permit overnight parking in existing car parks, but it can provide additional business for council tax paying local businesses.

 

[Fisherman]

Councils are strapped for cash it is important they are seen to directly benefit their electorate. It is far easier to spend money on council flats and double glazed windows than promote tourism where the value is a guesstimate It sits easier with the electorate

Motorhomes are double edged sword and a good example of fake news albeit there will be unsavoury users if we are honest , Banning us means councils appear to have a bite as well as a bark good for their voters whether there is justification is of little relevance we know that which leads to my next point the arguments there are campsites satisfy the argument as regards Joe public is concerned

Motorhomers did have a voice quite a vocal one John Thompson being part of it and it eventually folded the reason apathy there is simply not the support either people to dig in their pockets or invest the time required Tom will no doubt comment on that

The Whitby situation we know was inflated by those in power to get their way ,If a motorhome organisation were to take them to high court and evidence they would win financially we fall at the first hurdle

Channa

Sorry but campsites in some areas are hard to come by channa.
I have just booked a campsite for two nights for next may six months in advance and I only managed to get my third choice.
We are planning to do Scaffel Pike, the first site was fully booked, the second site insisted we pay for three nights at £97.80, and the third a national trust site only had eight pitches available and we just booked the last two for ourselves and friends.

 

[Fisherman]

I'm not sure why you think Government money is needed. It doesn't cost anything to permit overnight parking in existing car parks, but it can provide additional business for council tax paying local businesses.

Government money is needed to provide parking spaces in locations that will minimise interference for local residents, provide larger parking spaces, and were possible provide chemical waste and grey water facilities.

If the Government spent only 10% of what we give them each year this would greatly improve things.
I am talking about Aire type facilities found throughout the continent, but not here.

I have had discussions with French and German visitors who are shocked at the lack of facilities in the UK.

 

[mistericeman]

Sorry but campsites in some areas are hard to come by channa.
I have just booked a campsite for two nights for next may six months in advance and I only managed to get my third choice.
We are planning to do Scaffel Pike, the first site was fully booked, the second site insisted we pay for three nights at £97.80, and the third a national trust site only had eight pitches available and we just booked the last two for ourselves and friends.

The joys of visiting "honeypots" ...

Spread your wings and enjoy wider horizons, and the path less trod .

Frankly the last few times i have posted on here regarding 'forward thinking councils' providing facilities for motorhomers to overnight ...there have been plenty of "It's too expensive for what you get" type posts ...
To the point of I don't bother anymore ...some folks are that tight they only breathe in .

 

[Fisherman]

The joys of visiting "honeypots" ...

Spread your wings and enjoy wider horizons, and the path less trod .

Frankly the last few times i have posted on here regarding 'forward thinking councils' providing facilities for motorhomers to overnight ...there have been plenty of "It's too expensive for what you get" type posts ...
To the point of I don't bother anymore ...some folks are that tight they only breathe in .

Paths less less trod, How about ardnermurchan, Isle of Mull, Upper Torridon, Caithness, Fife, Aberdeenshire, and Arrans west coast, all visited last year and not a campsite used.

But I have found the lake district unfriendly for wild camping, and my friends are not into wild camping.:sad:

You may be content to only travel in rural locations, giving 'honeypots" a bye, but give a thought for those who either don't fancy hills, mountains and lochs, but have a preference that does not concur with yours.

 

[antiquesam]

Government money is needed to provide parking spaces in locations that will minimise interference for local residents, provide larger parking spaces, and were possible provide chemical waste and grey water facilities.

If the Government spent only 10% of what we give them each year this would greatly improve things.
I am talking about Aire type facilities found throughout the continent, but not here.

I have had discussions with French and German visitors who are shocked at the lack of facilities in the UK.

Surely a parking place with chemical waste facilities are called campsites and we have over 20,000 small 5 space sites in the UK, with prices as low as £5 overseen by the C&MC and C&CC, together with the Motorhome Club.

 

[mickymost]

Surely a parking place with chemical waste facilities are called campsites and we have over 20,000 small 5 space sites in the UK, with prices as low as £5 overseen by the C&MC and C&CC, together with the Motorhome Club.

You are correct but do we all want to pay a yearly subscription to any of these named clubs and be bound by their regimental rules? Im not sure if I do but each to their own!

And do they really only cost £5.00 all in including all members of ones party ?

Michael

 

[Fisherman]

Surely a parking place with chemical waste facilities are called campsites and we have over 20,000 small 5 space sites in the UK, with prices as low as £5 overseen by the C&MC and C&CC, together with the Motorhome Club.

They call them aires in France, they have campsites in France as well.

I would hardly refer to a parking space and chemical waste points (were possible) as a campsite.

But I do agree it’s not “wild camping”, I do that in rural Scotland.

 

[Fisherman]

You are correct but do we all want to pay a yearly subscription to any of these named clubs and be bound by their regimental rules? Im not sure if I do but each to their own!

And do they really only cost £5.00 all in including all members of ones party ?

Michael

The average price of a CL on the caravan and Motorhome web site is around £15.
And IF you can get booked on short notice (unlikely) they provide a good service.

 

[mistericeman]

You are correct but do we all want to pay a yearly subscription to any of these named clubs and be bound by their regimental rules? Im not sure if I do but each to their own!

And do they really only cost £5.00 all in including all members of ones party ?

Michael

Having regularly stopped at many CL/CS 5 pitch sites over the years...
I have only ever been asked for a membership number twice... Most frankly aren't bothered...
Or at least haven't been with us?

They are usually happy to accept cold hard cash.... As far as the bigger sites are concerned I can't comment as I don't need hot and cold running everything, just a bit of space and solitude ideally with a view....

We are members of the camping and caravan club BUT have had little 'need' to resort to A membership number.

 

[antiquesam]

You are correct but do we all want to pay a yearly subscription to any of these named clubs and be bound by their regimental rules? Im not sure if I do but each to their own!

And do they really only cost £5.00 all in including all members of ones party ?

Michael

I'm not sure what rules apply in CL's or CS's. Most of those I've used are a field, usually to myself and parking where I want. On many I haven't seen the owner and left the money in an honesty box. Perhaps you haven't used them.

 

[antiquesam]

The average price of a CL on the caravan and Motorhome web site is around £15.
And IF you can get booked on short notice (unlikely) they provide a good service.

The £15 you quote is the top end, usually with showers.