Vehicle Tax

[vwalan]

I think you have to have paid, just saying the cheque is in the post is unlikelyto work.

these days when you ring dvla or use internet they taske the money from your cc or dc . payed .
it can be done 24 hrs a day . insurance is the harder one to get . ok from a dealer they may issue a certificate if they do insurance many dont . but private you can ring and transfer insurance but how quick that would get on the mib computer for getting tax i dont know .
have to wait and see might be total change of every thing soon .
mind dont sell or buy a new vehicle no problem .

 

[Polar Bear]

Lets not forget that the biggest users of diesel are business's and they get the VAT back on all the fuel they buy and it is tax deductible?

 

[DumnoniiNomad]

Built in incompetence!

Simple question:
Why are we not taxed by the day? It's all computerized, so what's the issue?
We're taking in months because 12 tax discs each year were issued showing month end, but that's no longer necessary.

 

[Polar Bear]

Sorry.
I thought we were talking about putting more tax on fuel to cover the 'road tax' element as big users of fuel will then pay more?
My mistake.

 

[Polar Bear]

Sorry but I thought that you thought I had not thought it through? I did think I'd have a beer :beer: and then thought it was taxed so much.

 

[maxi77]

these days when you ring dvla or use internet they taske the money from your cc or dc . payed .
it can be done 24 hrs a day . insurance is the harder one to get . ok from a dealer they may issue a certificate if they do insurance many dont . but private you can ring and transfer insurance but how quick that would get on the mib computer for getting tax i dont know .
have to wait and see might be total change of every thing soon .
mind dont sell or buy a new vehicle no problem .

Well aware of the fact you can pay online, that's the way I usually do it, works great from abroad. Equally it is quite easy to sort out insurance on line, or on the phone. This year we transferred the van insurance from one company to another on line whilst in Portugal.

 

[vwalan]

Well aware of the fact you can pay online, that's the way I usually do it, works great from abroad. Equally it is quite easy to sort out insurance on line, or on the phone. This year we transferred the van insurance from one company to another on line whilst in Portugal.

yes but it might be more difficult to get a new vehicle insured and taxed in one day and drive it home . mind most dont worry about it even now.

 

[jenks]

I don't think it's going to change much to be honest. On the whole this conversation has been directed by law abiding citizens who can't see past the law.... Think like a criminal....

Dodgy plates are exceedingly easy to make, in the underworld of car crime cloning is very very easy. The biggest problem is ANPR records being automatically checked, so if a certain car was spotted in leeds at 13:15 travelling north but at 14:20 the same reg was spotted in Hastings traveling east that reg will get flagged. This practice is already happening, however it's not stopping cars from being cloned. My friend had her car cloned and she was herded off the M6 by armed response units. All they could do was check the vin, chassis, engine, gearbox numbers, prove she had the V5 and a sales receipt for it and sent her on her way. No guarantee's the other car is still on her plates for more than a couple of days / weeks, thus enabling the crooks to parade about in a stolen BMW X6....

A lot of people already buy cars and drive them home without the correct insurance mot / tax I really can't see that changing.

 

[maxi77]

I agree, but the fact they can do this is surely down to the reality that the systems are in place that make paper un-necessary and dear old Mr Plod has adequate resources to access the data without recourse to paper thus making it a lot easier to identify and arrest vehicles without tax, insurance , or MOT. In Portugal where I spend a lot of time all vehicle checks are done with paper and you must have all of it in original form in the car with you at all times

 

[trevskoda]

but they dont now . so nothing changed their .
plus as of a couple of years ago even if the vehicle is taxed and your insurance allowed you to drive someone elses vehicle you couldnt unless they had it insured .

yes my old boy told me this as he was high up in the pru,but my argument is how come in the motor trade you could drive any car even if it not got its owen ins?.and if its the driver that is insured why do ins co need to know what car your driving third party.i once asked my ins co this and there reply was that it was the car that the insurence was leved on,so i replyed so its the car that gets dun for speeding not the driver then.i think they make it up as they go along.

 

[trevskoda]

A problem with selling a car with tax on it is that there is no sure way of making the new owner buy insurance.

Some people do fill in the V5 properly and send it off but may have been given a false address.

If one was inclined, buy a car for a few quid with a bit of tax, run it till the tax runs out and then sell it for scrap. Maybe getting most or all your money back.

this happened to me once and the new owner crashed and plod came after me,i found out later from dvla that even if you post in new owenership in law you are the owner until you receive conformation letter back from them,so i always took details from new owner drove to tax office handed over paperwork and got receit before handing vh to new owner,and on inspection its in the small print somewhere at the bottom of back page.why not put on fuel and just have a regastration fee at post office where both parties could go down to post ofice or internet and exchange details and a secure code for a fee of £25 say which would be instant change over to new owner.

 

[trevskoda]

you can drive without tax disc or tax for 5 days so long as you have applied . these days a phone call or internet takes seconds . so off you go. mind getting insurance that fast might be the problem .

no you cant drive without a tax disc for 5 days even if your retaxing as i found out as its a ofence not to display,i had just got my new disc from mallymena tax office put it on seat beside me and was driving home when pulled by piggys because it was not desplayed ( separate offence) £30 bucks fine for me.so thats one good thing to come out of new sys no more of that daft sh_t.

 

[vwalan]

if you actually goto court they will drop the charge .

 

[Deleted member 775]

i carry all my doc ,always have done saves time and another thing ,i dont trust data bases . i like to be able to prove everything is legal

 

[Deleted member 967]

Being full times we carry our docs at all times. We keep originals in a safe place but have copies available easily.

 

[Deleted member 967]

no you cant drive without a tax disc for 5 days even if your retaxing as i found out as its a ofence not to display,i had just got my new disc from mallymena tax office put it on seat beside me and was driving home when pulled by piggys because it was not desplayed ( separate offence) £30 bucks fine for me.so thats one good thing to come out of new sys no more of that daft sh_t.

I learned this back in the 1960s I needed a new tax disk holder so put the disk on the dashboard while I went into a garage to buy a new holder. Policeman waiting on garage forecourt told me that even leaving the disk flat on the dash was not sufficient. I received an official caution for failure to display. I haven't seen anything official yet about removing the failure to display regulation, although the new reminders say you will not now receive a disk.

 

[piman]

Hello all,

it is a very poor scheme with the driving force in saving the revenue some money, but apart from the clearly unfair double tax or nearly that every time a vehicle is sold there is, apparently, a great problem for motor traders as cars bought in for resale will require taxing so that potential buyers can drive them, which means registration by the trader to tax it. Basically a can of worms.

The often proposed 'scrap the tax and add it to fuel' argument will adversely affect business so adding an extra cost to an already very high one which just puts up the cost of all products, so we all suffer.

Alec

 

[munion]

More and more control less and less freedom

Obviously the govt or whatever enforcing body now feel confident enough the the national (international) surveillance system that they can offer us sheep this 'improvement' of not displaying tax disc. There will be no bucking the system as the noose tightens. You can be dead sure that whatever so called improvement are offered, or rather handed down, benefit the controllers and not the people. already taxed to the hilt for energy, fuel and air (carbon tax) water is on the agenda as the next big thing for the greedy ones.

 

[Polar Bear]

Hello all,

it is a very poor scheme with the driving force in saving the revenue some money, but apart from the clearly unfair double tax or nearly that every time a vehicle is sold there is, apparently, a great problem for motor traders as cars bought in for resale will require taxing so that potential buyers can drive them, which means registration by the trader to tax it. Basically a can of worms.

The often proposed 'scrap the tax and add it to fuel' argument will adversely affect business so adding an extra cost to an already very high one which just puts up the cost of all products, so we all suffer.

Alec

Hi. Car traders buy a yearly set of 'Trade plates' a road tax/insurance system, which they can legally drive cars without tax for demonstration purposes.

 

[molly 2]

Does it mean you will.be able to remove you current tax disc