advice : on no overnight sleeping and caravans signs

[Wooie1958]

I think you got the point I was trying to make , I never park in towns anyway I always move out of the towns to get more peace and there is less chance of being noticed , everyone should rebel ! , Say no !! , i'm sick of having to watch my back just in case I fart and get fined ! it's past a joke !.

Naughty word , naughty word ........ fine him, ban him .............. better still Hang Him ................ LOL

 

[shawbags]

Naughty word , naughty word ........ fine him, ban him .............. better still Hang Him ................ LOL

Phil's got more common sense than that , it is getting totally out of hand though I would rather go into a pub and give the landlord a fiver for the night ( I don't drink ) , but if the councils new that was going on even if it was free they would do something to stop it , crooks the lot of them ! , just disagreeing with a council member is becoming a hanging offence :wacko:.

 

[SteveM]

And what would happen, if I do not have documents on me, and I still refuse to give name ?

Sorry for staying off post, if someone want to split this to a seperate thread.

Failure to produce your docs to a police officer is an offence, however the law gives you a defence in that you have 7 days to produce them. However a police officer will require your name and address to complete the producer so you could technically be arrested for the offence of failing to produce your driving docs and the arrest would be necessary to ascertain name and address. Aft this, as soon as name and address is given you would be de-arrested as this necessity is no longer there.

Now in the sensible world where all our details are on computer, the police officer may conduct a check of the vehicle and ask your name to confirm the against the registered keeper or insured drivers, give your name and all is ok then you are on your way. Don't give your name and the police officer may start to suspect the vehicle isn't yours or you are not insured to drive and may consider dealing accordingly. In this computer age I understand a lot of forces have phased out producers as all records can be checked at the roadside.

 

[steco1958]

Because Its not a requirement !!
and The powers that be have never got round to it !!

 

[Deleted member 38455]

No Croeso in Wales

We've noticed that Wales is becoming more unfriendly to us wilders. We've already had to report one POI that had been made unusable with large boulders and there must have been at least half a dozen of these signs on the coastal road to Tywyn. It looks a bit frightening the £1000 fine but we think the fine refers to the leaving litter and not the overnight parking bit. Disingenuous or what?!

 

[steco1958]

Not sure where I am upset about council parking rules, If a council doesn't want me to park in a carpark, or a location on their area, I probably won't, I take my custom elswhere.

How easy is my life going to get by carrying my licence with me ??

 

[sasquatch]

Councils are becoming crooks. This started when they were given powers following the decriminalisation of parking,our local area is now 'littered' with residents parking zones,I live in one and it has not benefited me,just the attendants issuing tickets (I will not call them traffic wardens,because they are not that well trained). However a large majority of the marked bays are non compliant with the regulations,it is up to the PCN recipient to appeal against issue in all cases,which means that they receive the minimum level of training.
Councils make up the rules to suit themselves and their special chums!

 

[shawbags]

Wints,

People cant be arsed to check on what the councils do or don't do, that is why they get away with whatever they do, legal or otherwise, and when a person who shall be nameless tries, he is then shot down in flames, and banished.

and yes, I have experienced the small villages and their tranquil nature, please tyry not to be sooooo condescending, it becomes you so well.

I totally agree with what you say about councils , I complained to my local councillor 4 years ago after a council manager refused to do repairs , I got the work done because the councillor was in a position were he could not say no , even though he did agree , ever since then ,no matter what I need I get problems from that certain manager and she is very blatant about it , I think she needs to meet the old me before she will back of but of course I would be waking strait into her hands , in saying that I think the day is near and she will be getting what for .

 

[jenks]

I do not trust counsellors my limited experience of them involved my local Mayer or the time.

My bin had been stolen, then the free replacement torched... I refused to spend £60 on another, but instead opted to take my rubbish straight to the refuse collection centre.... I asked for a reduction in council tax as I was no longer requiring their service....... Anyway one of my neighbours who had also suffered the same bin fate started to pile rubbish bags up outside her property on a communal area for our block.... The local Mayer / counsellor came calling making door to door enquiries, I invited him in for a cuppa and chat (at this point I had no idea for the reason to his call). He went nuts about the rubbish outside and pointed the finger at me, his reasoning being the other tenants were all social housing and have no reason to leave rubbish outside as they had always lived on the estate since being kids and he knew their Mums! Apparently as an outsider it was all my fault!... OK... when he got more and more agitated I suggested he left via the front door or I'd be needing a new living room window! His parting statement was "there are plenty of bins out on bin day, just get one and sort the mess or I'll be back with official documents". He never came back with anything and I did get a new bin from the council - I rang them and said I'd just moved in and there was no bin!

Utter crooks! All of my dealings with that particular council were shocking. I hate to think what they will be doing with the parking spaces in laybys etc. I don't hold much hope for most councils based on the above dealings..


That said here in Hampshire they seem the complete opposite, the signs for no overnighting etc seem to include the by law or TRO etc and upon careful reading they are open during the less touristy months. Newport City Council fail at everything Hampshire and it's subsidiaries seems to get things right!

 

[vespalien]

Name & address to a policeman? His APNR will already have given him the keeper's address for your van & the legality or otherwise of all its documentation.


Re legality or otherwise of no overnight camping signs? Almost all are likely to be unenforceable if you have either a good brief or speak nicely to Andy ********** who can probably identify a few dozen weaknesses in the Council's case for you for a small fee.

They will not be able to stop overnight parking & sleeping in lay-bys because lorry drivers are required to take regular rest periods & often stop over in laybys. How can they say a lorry can park with the driver sleeping in the cab (and possibly no washing/ toilet facilities) yet a fully self-contained MH cannot? It simply does not make sense.

Height barriers create access issues to public land to which we have a right of access. It may well be possible to insist that the Council open the barriers for genuine access, of course, they will not want to & will do all they can to obstruct access, but there may well be a public right of access that they are not allowed to disrupt, in which case the law can be your friend.

You can give up & go away if you like, or you can do a bit of research & be a pain in the butt to Councillors who force their employees to act illegally. Incidentally, when local busybodies harangue you, then your smart video phone is your friend, ask them what law(s) you have contravened & offer to call the police if the hassle you on camera.

Not sure if this will be allowed to be posted, mentioning Andy as it does, but perhaps we shall see if your board meister has any sense of fairness at all.

 

[landyrubbertramp]

Hi steco I should have give you a better response than i did . I apologise for that. When u mentioned why bother visiting an area my point was the area doesn't belong to a council it's belongs to the community etc. And I would not let a council worry enough or scare me about threats if illegal parking if u saw such a sigh I would ignore it and if sorrow he'd would challenge the council as it is my duty we should not forget democracy is not won and lost its a constant struggle and we have an obligation as citizens to ensure we challenge the council in these areas

 

[steco1958]

Hi steco I should have give you a better response than i did . I apologise for that. When u mentioned why bother visiting an area my point was the area doesn't belong to a council it's belongs to the community etc. And I would not let a council worry enough or scare me about threats if illegal parking if u saw such a sigh I would ignore it and if sorrow he'd would challenge the council as it is my duty we should not forget democracy is not won and lost its a constant struggle and we have an obligation as citizens to ensure we challenge the council in these areas

Landy RT, I understand what you are saying, however my initial comments still apply, and in short, why bother, for me life is too short.

I do not worry about the threats, I have had parking charges in the past, again, its the hassle of fighting them, it just spoils yet another day and possibly more.

As for the challanging of the councils, I have seen the inner workings of such beasts, my wife still works within our local council, best of luck to you sir !!

For me hit them in the pocket, send emails and let them know you will not spend your money there, if enough do it, they will listen ! won't they ?

Extract below of email trail for windsor:- (read from bottom to top)

Dear Mr Cowdell,
Thank you for your below e-mail.
Our operations manager has been in contact with many of the motor home groups.
As explained previously, parking in Windsor is restricted by height in most of the car parks, therefore unable to accommodate parking for motor homes. The only car park suitable for vehicles of such size is Windsor Coach Park CP. Subject to availability, we try to ensure that parking for motorhomes is provided, however during busy periods when demand for coach parking is high we can not guarantee that parking will be available.
Kind regards,


Aggie Fedyna*
Parking Department
Town Hall
St Ives Road
Maidenhead
SL6 1RF
Tel: 01628 683880
parking@rbwm.gov.uk


From: Stephen Cowdell
Sent: 08 April 2014 11:23
To: Parking
Subject: Re: Visiting Windsor

Aggie,

That is very unfortunate, I will now have to look at our plans, and may necessitate not visiting your area, this has an effect on your local economy, admittedly if it is just me, then only a few hundred pound per visit when you add up the camping fees, the drinks, the food, petrol, parking charges, so on and so forth.

However, as I am a member of 3 of the largest “Motorhome Forums” on the UK internet, and this email will be printed including your response, I would request that you reconsider your stance on such vehicles, as motorhomes are becoming more prevalent, with people who have a larger than average disposable income, you are most definitely missing out on all that income.

As an example, if say 100 people decided not to visit your area due to being unable to park, you lose out on over £30,000.00 – £40,000.00, now I know, there are certainly a higher proportion of people that will not visit as your council are not welcoming of motorhome vehicles, so the figure is probably far in excess of what I have stated.

Your comments (or others) would be gratefully received.

Stephen Cowdell


On 08/04/2014 10:03, "Parking" <Parking@RBWM.gov.uk> wrote:
Dear Mr Cowdell,
Thank you for your below enquiry.
Unfortunately we do not provide parking for motor homes. Space permitting we try to accommodate parking in Windsor Coach Park CP as this is the only suitable location for this type of vehicles.
Unfortunately I am unable to confirm whether parking will be available on the day due to high demand for parking by coaches.
Kind regards,


Aggie Fedyna
Parking Department
Town Hall
St Ives Road
Maidenhead
SL6 1RF
Tel: 01628 683880
parking@rbwm.gov.uk <mailtoarking@rbwm.gov.uk>


From: Stephen Cowdell
Sent: 07 April 2014 13:33
To: Parking
Subject: Visiting Windsor

Dear sir,



Over the summer I intend to visit Windsor and the surrounding area in my Motorhome. The length is 7.5 m and height is 3.1m, this will be our only means of transport, as we go from campsite to campsite within your area, are there any provisions for parking such a vehicle within proximity of the historic tourist sites.



Thanking you in advance



Regards



Stephen Cowdell

would be good for other to follow suit, I have left their email address in, however I have removed mine

 

[shawbags]

I would advise anyone having any kind of contact with the council to record all conversations ( i'm not going into the legality of this ) , a bout 4 months ago I had terrible trouble with a member of council staff , after he shot his mouth off I told him that his outburst had been recorded , looking as though he had sh!t himself :scared: he became very quiet and off he went , the job was done within 5 days , NEVER TRUST THEM THEY TELL LIES !!!!! and stick together like flies round s(it ! , BE WARNED !! , Chris.

 

[John H]

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[John H]

No - you are prejudiced because you made a crass point about a Labour controlled council being at fault while a Tory controlled one wasn't. You never miss a chance to blame Labour and praise the Tories - that is where you show your prejudice.

And another technique you use all the time is that, when you have been found out, you try to shift the argument by claiming that the other person said something he/she clearly didn't. Nobody - except you - could conclude that I implied that all councillors are beyond criticism.

 

[steco1958]

Just shown this to my wife, a very competent Local Government Officer, she has come across biased and prejediced views, and would love to know where you are getting your information from, how many of the millions of people that have dealings with local councils have you canvased for your opinion that the majority of staff rarely have high levels of competence.

In general, you have an opinion, founded on no evidence what so ever.

 

[landyrubbertramp]

Steco thanks for your response we may disagree in a few areas but in general we are on the sane page my friend lee

 

[steco1958]

Steco thanks for your response we may disagree in a few areas but in general we are on the sane page my friend lee

I would agree, we just do it in different ways

 

[shawbags]

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[steco1958]

I have personally lost count at the amount of times I have been lied to by council staff , managers and general workers , I know of friends who on many occasions have been lied to by council members , managers , staff , what I posted earlier actually happened and I have to record any time I get visits or deal with the council and I will say it's the people with more power that tell more lies , yes there is good and bad but a lot of these people are bad and its getting worse , I could go into a lot more detail but I could not be bothered , in my experience its not just lies it's bullying , power goes strait to their heads .

Sorry to hear you have had problems, they do not have power, they have procedures, that they must follow, by all means record them, and if you have issues with them, put it in writing.