advice : on no overnight sleeping and caravans signs

[steco1958]

As I see it under common law as long as you don't steal anything or hurt anyone you're ok and the police can't bother you as you haven't committed a crime. An act or stature is only enforceable by consent and I don't consent.

:lol-049::lol-049::lol-049:

I do hope you never get stopped on suspicion of doing anything wrong, her's hoping you consent to proving your innocent

 

[Photophil]

True. But you are not obliged to give them any information DOB name etc. you have the right to remain silent. They need reasonable suspicion and as soon as you start filming them they get extremely nice. Most police don't know the law/acts they are trying to enforce. Just ask them for the wording of the act for clarification.

 

[Derf]

As I see it under common law as long as you don't steal anything or hurt anyone you're ok and the police can't bother you as you haven't committed a crime. An act or stature is only enforceable by consent and I don't consent.

You just have to love a misinformed freeman of the land...

 

[Derf]

True. But you are not obliged to give them any information DOB name etc. you have the right to remain silent. They need reasonable suspicion and as soon as you start filming them they get extremely nice. Most police don't know the law/acts they are trying to enforce. Just ask them for the wording of the act for clarification.

Presumably if your wild camping in a motorhome, you are in a mechanically powered vehicle on a road or public place, in which case you are obliged to furnish a constable with your details if required which you consented to when you signed your driving license.


Edit:

Section 165 Road Traffic Act 1988

 

[janstevecairns]

Freedom of Information Act

If this local council is promoting the use of a local council then You should put in a freedom of Information request,which should ask specifically if the council has any members who have an intrest or are related to the campsite. This may well uncover some dodgy dealings.

 

[antiqueman]

wet councilor

Yes i have, twice over the years.

The first one was a similar situation to barryd`s, a completely empty large car park where we tucked ourselves in a corner.

There was a sign saying " No Overnight Sleeping / Camping " or words to that effect but was obviously not official.

A few cars / dog walkers came and went with no problems but about 10pm there was a knock on the door.

I answered it and there was a guy telling me i wasn`t allowed to park there and couldn`t spend the night and wanted to show me the sign.

I was polite but firm with him and told him the sign wasn`t legal and we would be gone in the morning, with that he left.

We had a very quiet and peaceful night however at 5:30am things changed.

3 cars pulled into the still empty ( apart from us ) car park and parked so close i had difficulty getting out of our van.

They started slamming car doors and whistling and shouting as loud as they could to their dogs.

I got out and asked them if it all this was really necessary at this time in the morning.

They replied " you`re not supposed to f*cking well be here in the first place, there are signs and you was told last night ".

1 guy on his own would have got a smack in the gob for speaking to me like that however 3 are a bit much even for me to take on !!

The second incident wasn`t as bad.

If that sort of incident doesn`t bother you then you are a better person than i am !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had an incident with a councilor one night in the pouring rain I was parked on the road in a non restricted area he told me I could not park here overnight and said there were many campsites within 10 miles, I said but they are not near my favourite pub and was not driving after visiting said pub, I also told him I would not have parked there if the many car parks away from the road and with lovely views did not have no overnight parking signs on them. so I suggested he went home to dry out, luckily there was only one of him.The pub has no car park by the way as I love pubs and the carparks and never been refused in 6 years.

 

[landyrubbertramp]

When ppl say don't go to an area because the council are anti n home . It assumes the council own the county well they don't the fact that it's part of the uk means it's accessible and if ur a good citizen I would think if u asked a 100 local ppl they would want you thier plus maybe your family or relatives to vist or maybe to see the grave of a loved one or even a family member who fought and died in a war to get freedom etc my point is I will not let any council dictate my movements if I'm a law abiding person

 

[Deleted member 38556]

This morning the council has erected a couple of signs in a local layby saying. No overnight sleeping and caravans. Nearest campsite is XXXXXX

Can the council do this?

I feel quite upset about this as I have used this layby, right by the sea, for about 30 years. It is not near any houses. I spend at least a third of my time in this layby. It is popular with motorhomes in summer, and fishermen all year round. I had a feeling this was going to happen as last year the council men were knocking on the doors of motorhomes saying they cant sleep the night. Even though there were no signs. There has never been a problem with waste laying around or rowdy behaviour that I know of. Last year for the first time, two caravans parked there long term, and made themselves at home. But this was the first time. Down the road is heavily populated with campsites, and chalets.

The reason why I am upset about this is that I used to park by some lakes, quarter of a mile from my home as well, and then the council put gates on the path so no one can drive in any more. I also parked up the road on the sand banks. Then the council made it an expensive paying car park, with no overnight sleeping. I also parked up the road, by the cliffs opposite the beach, then that was made into a car park. No my last remaining place has no overnight sleeping.

I feel my freedom and rights have slowly been stripped away.

The council I heard had complains from the campsite, which is now advertised on the notice board, that he was loosing business. I can understand it with caravans, but not motorhomes as most have their own electric, and carry water, so don't need a campsite. Surely with all these councils doing this, people will stop buy motorhomes as what is the point if you have to book into a campsite.

Is there anything I can do about this?
Thanks

It is a sad loss. We live in rippoff Britton
Parking over night is being banned all over England and Wales
The campsites are not loosing any thing from me as I do not use them
Why are we laying road tax to be moved on
My way around it. Is my Blue badge
I park up if they try to take action I use my disability as it would be too dangerous to drive
Has worked many times. Not sure just how long before even when too poorly to drive. I will be forced to do so ?

It's now all about money with these greedy councils

 

[Deleted member 38556]

When ppl say don't go to an area because the council are anti n home . It assumes the council own the county well they don't the fact that it's part of the uk means it's accessible and if ur a good citizen I would think if u asked a 100 local ppl they would want you thier plus maybe your family or relatives to vist or maybe to see the grave of a loved one or even a family member who fought and died in a war to get freedom etc my point is I will not let any council dictate my movements if I'm a law abiding person

You will be using campsites then !!
As to park over night will become illegal every where

 

[Deleted member 3011]

Why don't they do the same as in Australia and France and allow parking for so many days with facilities such as bins and water

You wish! Despite Roger's glowing report, there are MANY councils and towns in Australia that have a strict No Overnight Parking policy and they enforce it too. Some have fines ranging to hundreds of dollars. Some towns have big signs up as you cross the boundary and they back it up with rangers who patrol at all hours. Thing is, that may not be as bad as it sounds because most of us much prefer to park well away from towns anyway. Parking in a Tesco carpark just doesn't appeal. However, there are some shire councils that do have shire wide bans (and some of those shires could just about fit the entire UK inside their boundaries. Western Australia - nearly half the size of the whole of Australia is rapidly getting to the stage of having bans extending right along the inhabited coastline.

USA, home of the brave and the free blah blah blah has MANY towns and cities with the same sort of NOP policies and the local police enforce it too. Places like Walmart, that traditionally welcome self-contained motorhomes, have no choice but to refuse permission in the NOP towns.

France? Their supposedly liberal policy doesn't apply France-wide either and in any case never applies to non-self-contained vehicles.

 

[steco1958]

True. But you are not obliged to give them any information DOB name etc. you have the right to remain silent. They need reasonable suspicion and as soon as you start filming them they get extremely nice. Most police don't know the law/acts they are trying to enforce. Just ask them for the wording of the act for clarification.

If you are asked to give your Name, address, DOB as an example, and you don't, I will almost guarantee, you will be in the cells, as you will be obstructing the police in their duties. They will be unable to let you go at the road side, as they do not know who you are, and could have a warrant against you.

And don't tell me it doesn't happen, it does I was there

 

[steco1958]

When ppl say don't go to an area because the council are anti n home . It assumes the council own the county well they don't the fact that it's part of the uk means it's accessible and if ur a good citizen I would think if u asked a 100 local ppl they would want you thier plus maybe your family or relatives to vist or maybe to see the grave of a loved one or even a family member who fought and died in a war to get freedom etc my point is I will not let any council dictate my movements if I'm a law abiding person

They don't dictate as such, its a choice I choose to make, if there are carparks with barriers or no overnight camping signs, I move to where there are places to park and camp. I then choose to spend my money.

 

[landyrubbertramp]

Hi steco I agree with your point It doesn't stop you goin to an area motor Mhome lover . Where does it state and I carnt see ppl being stooped from parking on the side if the road parked legally and stopped from over night parking on every yard of road in Britain

 

[steco1958]

Hi steco I agree with your point It doesn't stop you goin to an area motor Mhome lover . Where does it state and I carnt see ppl being stooped from parking on the side if the road parked legally and stopped from over night parking on every yard of road in Britain

Lady RT,

I would love to answer your question, however I am unable to understand what you are trying to say.

Please re-post

 

[steco1958]

Wints, can't argue with you on this however there is one slight flaw, the residents of said councils are not being inconvenienced, so they will not complain.

The money making side of parking is a great incentive for the councils, stop that and the tax will go up, as sure as eggs is eggs.

 

[steco1958]

Not being unfair, I genuinely do not understand what point is being made, I have asked for a repost, I am not a pedant for from it, as you can see from my obvious mistake in his name

 

[steco1958]

Wints,

People cant be arsed to check on what the councils do or don't do, that is why they get away with whatever they do, legal or otherwise, and when a person who shall be nameless tries, he is then shot down in flames, and banished.

and yes, I have experienced the small villages and their tranquil nature, please tyry not to be sooooo condescending, it becomes you so well.

 

[SteveM]

If you are asked to give your Name, address, DOB as an example, and you don't, I will almost guarantee, you will be in the cells, as you will be obstructing the police in their duties. They will be unable to let you go at the road side, as they do not know who you are, and could have a warrant against you.

And don't tell me it doesn't happen, it does I was there

Not sure how a thread about a council issue turns partly into a police powers discussion but here goes....

In general you are not required to give your name, address, dob to a police officer and you will not be in the cells for this alone. However if you have committed an offence or suspected of committing an offence and refuse to give these details then you will be arrested as one of the necessity criteria for arrest under PACE Code G is to ascertain name and address.

A police officer cannot arrest you for failing to give your details as you 'could' have a warrant against you, unless of course he has prior knowledge that you 'are' or 'recently have been' wanted on warrant.

Now to bring this to some relevance to a road side stop, whilst the above is correct, it is also correct that a police officer can request to see your driving documents, and what details are on your driving licence? Name, address and photograph, so job done for them, this also takes away one of the necessity criteria for arrest if an offence has been committed.

 

[steco1958]

Not sure how a thread about a council issue turns partly into a police powers discussion but here goes....

In general you are not required to give your name, address, dob to a police officer and you will not be in the cells for this alone. However if you have committed an offence or suspected of committing an offence and refuse to give these details then you will be arrested as one of the necessity criteria for arrest under PACE Code G is to ascertain name and address.

A police officer cannot arrest you for failing to give your details as you 'could' have a warrant against you, unless of course he has prior knowledge that you 'are' or 'recently have been' wanted on warrant.

Now to bring this to some relevance to a road side stop, whilst the above is correct, it is also correct that a police officer can request to see your driving documents, and what details are on your driving licence? Name, address and photograph, so job done for them, this also takes away one of the necessity criteria for arrest if an offence has been committed.

And what would happen, if I do not have documents on me, and I still refuse to give name ?

Sorry for staying off post, if someone want to split this to a seperate thread.

 

[shawbags]

You wish! Despite Roger's glowing report, there are MANY councils and towns in Australia that have a strict No Overnight Parking policy and they enforce it too. Some have fines ranging to hundreds of dollars. Some towns have big signs up as you cross the boundary and they back it up with rangers who patrol at all hours. Thing is, that may not be as bad as it sounds because most of us much prefer to park well away from towns anyway. Parking in a Tesco carpark just doesn't appeal. However, there are some shire councils that do have shire wide bans (and some of those shires could just about fit the entire UK inside their boundaries. Western Australia - nearly half the size of the whole of Australia is rapidly getting to the stage of having bans extending right along the inhabited coastline.

USA, home of the brave and the free blah blah blah has MANY towns and cities with the same sort of NOP policies and the local police enforce it too. Places like Walmart, that traditionally welcome self-contained motorhomes, have no choice but to refuse permission in the NOP towns.

France? Their supposedly liberal policy doesn't apply France-wide either and in any case never applies to non-self-contained vehicles.

I think you got the point I was trying to make , I never park in towns anyway I always move out of the towns to get more peace and there is less chance of being noticed , everyone should rebel ! , Say no !! , i'm sick of having to watch my back just in case I fart and get fined ! it's past a joke !.