European Health Insurance Card

I spent 5 days in Marbella hospital last month (wasn't impressed personally with the nursing staff, prefer our NHS) BUT the wife only used the EHIC card & there wasn't any problem. They emailed me results of some tests as I didn't want to stay there & rather to travel back to the UK to talk to my own doc. rather than wait there for a couple of weeks. The treatment in hindsight was probably ok but wasn't happy with the nursing staff, language is a great barrier & they did have translators there but repeated requests to get one went ignored.
 
I spent 5 days in Marbella hospital last month (wasn't impressed personally with the nursing staff, prefer our NHS) BUT the wife only used the EHIC card & there wasn't any problem. They emailed me results of some tests as I didn't want to stay there & rather to travel back to the UK to talk to my own doc. rather than wait there for a couple of weeks. The treatment in hindsight was probably ok but wasn't happy with the nursing staff, language is a great barrier & they did have translators there but repeated requests to get one went ignored.

I also visited that hospital about five yrs ago with a Stanley knife cut to my finger. I also was not impressed so popped down to the private one at the bottom of the road . 40euros later I felt great and had been treated to a excellent service . There are good and bad experiences/hospitals in every country so lets not forget that. It's nice to know there's private a+e 's in every country . It's up to the individual, and size of the problem. There should however always be a choice . Isn't that one small benefit of being in the eu ?
 
Ehic

O.M.G. !!!!! When I joined 'wild camping' I hoped ( and thought) that it was full of like minded people willing to give help and advice to others.

I see a post about a Spanish hospital refusing to recognise/ accept the Ehic. I thought to myself.."I know about this cos I'm dealing with it at work." So I post a clarification. ...That , yes it's true, and gave what I thought was a brief couple of words to explain how Ehic and travel insurance work in conjunction with the other . Thought it may be helpful in case any one finds themselves in the same situation .

And what do I get ...I get accused of posting a 'suspicious thread' and am accused of having a vested interest in travel insurance! ( pages 1-3 of this thread)

If I posted a thread about wheel bearings for my camper and someone replies I would thank the poster and respect the info they gave me..I certainly would not accuse them of posting a suspicious thread of of having a vested interest in the wheel bearing company.

There seems to be some members who have replied to this thread that cannot seem to accept the facts shouting 'it' s illegal it's illegal blah blah' ....if feel that I not only have to justify the advice I post , but also have to justify why I posted it.

So here we go... I am by nature a helpful considerate person, which is why I do the job I do, I deal with travel insurance claims and AM NOT employed by any travel insurance company. I deal with stuff that would make your toes curl, and stuff that would break your heart into a million pieces when lives are torn apart by medical emergency s abroad..I also deal with situations where there is no life left,repatriating bodies not people .

I will not name the hospital as I'd get the sack.

I am sorry to disappoint certain posters that I am not employed by a travel insurance company and therefore have no vested interest but I am flattered that he thinks I am powerful enough to rally you all into buying travel insurance, really???? Get a grip!

I don't give two hoots if anyone's buys travel Insurance or not..if anyone is foolish enough to think they don't need it fine..no skin off my nose...but as I'm a helpful considerate person, Il be first in line with a ruddy great plaster when a medical situation turns round and bites you on the b*m!

Is it that some posters won't accept the info r.e. refusal of the Ehic because perhaps, just perhaps, on this occasion I respectively know more about it then they do!

Do they think, that in the world we live in, that, if it's illegal it can't happen?

To coin a phrase of the 60' ....S**T HAPPENS...get over it man and move on

P.s., when I'm in work this week I was going to get some updates on the situation and post the info here, if and when it resolves itself and how, but I feel bullied into probably not posting anything on this forum again in case I have to justify 'trying to help'
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Please don't let it put you off. All advice and information is welcome and especially welcome from somebody "in the know". Everyone here would feel it badly if this one thing stopped you posting here.
 
I don't give two hoots if anyone's buys travel Insurance or not..if anyone is foolish enough to think they don't need it fine.

Do they think, that in the world we live in, that, if it's illegal it can't happen?

You don't give two hoots yet you say that people should have private insurance in the EU?

Illegal things happen but the way to deal with them is to report it to the appropriate authorities, not to say "you should have had private insurance".

You may be on the level; I don't know you. All I know is that you seemed in your first post to be directing people towards travel insurance instead of pointing out (as indeed the Martyn Ledis website did) that what you really need to do is to keep your wits about you and not sign any document you cannot understand.
 
As does the Card if you have a quick look at it. I agree it should be enforced properly but I didn't get the vibes that you have from Gemani's post.

The card says you should have valid travel insurance (which covers areas beyond medical insurance). It also makes it clear that it is not valid for private treatment, which is where the scam that appears to be operating in some private Spanish (and maybe Greek, I don't know) hospitals comes in. And it is important to stress that the refusal to accept the EHIC IS a scam. It is also important to stress that it appears to be operating in only a few Spanish hospitals. Those of us who spend a lot of time here in Spain have not come across it. As Nick Ross, might say, don't have nightmares - just keep your wits about you.
 
Ehic

Is it me losing the plot here?????


I am not going to waste precious time on this anymore...sorry folks, no,updates from me anymore..
 
Oh dear, John. You never can let go, can you?

The point that's starting to come out is that not all EHIC use is genuine use. Leading perhaps to officialdom, here and abroad, examining the use a bit more carefully. This could well be how the stories began. It's no good burying your head in the sand proclaiming the illegality. The European Commission is on the case. Not much we here, on the ground, can do about it. Not when we're sick and need the treatment NOW. Getting bolshy with those treating us will just lead to them not treating us.

I think you're probably one of those people who used to put brown envelopes unopened behind the clock in case they contained something unpleasant.
 
Ehic

John H
Copied from website:
"Do I need an EHIC if I have travel insurance?
While the EHIC will provide some cover, there is no such thing as EHIC travel insurance.
For example, the EHIC will not cover you for repatriation to the UK if your illness or accident is very serious, which alone can cost tens of thousands of pounds.
So while your European Health Insurance Card is a necessary addition to your travel wallet, it is crucial that you are also covered with the right travel insurance policy, whether this is a single trip or multi-trip package.
EHIC plus travel insurance is the safest and only option for European travellers."

i don't know you John but I sincerely hope that you are never in a medical emergency and need to be repatriated, so in the nicest possible way in a manner that does not sound suspicious or offensive , yes I am hoping , advising , that everyone has travel insurance, not for any underhand reason, just because I would not like any of you to suffer because I have seen the consequences ..in case anyone's wondering..about 25k for air ambulance not including other costs
 
Oh dear, John. You never can let go, can you?

The point that's starting to come out is that not all EHIC use is genuine use. Leading perhaps to officialdom, here and abroad, examining the use a bit more carefully. This could well be how the stories began. It's no good burying your head in the sand proclaiming the illegality. The European Commission is on the case. Not much we here, on the ground, can do about it. Not when we're sick and need the treatment NOW. Getting bolshy with those treating us will just lead to them not treating us.

I think you're probably one of those people who used to put brown envelopes unopened behind the clock in case they contained something unpleasant.

I see you are following your usual pattern of claiming that people you disagree with are saying things they never said. I am not advocating burying your head in the sand. I am not advocating getting bolshy with those treating us. I am definitely NOT the kind of person who puts brown envelopes behind the clock. If you wish to be led down a path that means you go along with scams and end up paying money unecessarily, that is up to you. There are some of us on here who have a bit more nouse than that. I might point out here that I am 65, I have travelled extensively and I have survived so far by keeping my wits about me and not going along with scams.
 
John H
Copied from website:
"Do I need an EHIC if I have travel insurance?
While the EHIC will provide some cover, there is no such thing as EHIC travel insurance.
For example, the EHIC will not cover you for repatriation to the UK if your illness or accident is very serious, which alone can cost tens of thousands of pounds.
So while your European Health Insurance Card is a necessary addition to your travel wallet, it is crucial that you are also covered with the right travel insurance policy, whether this is a single trip or multi-trip package.
EHIC plus travel insurance is the safest and only option for European travellers."

i don't know you John but I sincerely hope that you are never in a medical emergency and need to be repatriated, so in the nicest possible way in a manner that does not sound suspicious or offensive , yes I am hoping , advising , that everyone has travel insurance, not for any underhand reason, just because I would not like any of you to suffer because I have seen the consequences ..in case anyone's wondering..about 25k for air ambulance not including other costs

People must make up their own minds about what cover they need. Personally, I am not bothered about repatriation. If i am taken ill in Spain I am quite happy for the local health system to take care of me. If others think they need repatriation cover then that is up to them. My point is that any refusal by a public hospital in Spain to accept the EHIC is illegal and needs to be resisted, not gone along with. This has nothing whatever to do with repatriation.
 
Oh dear, John. You never can let go, can you?

The point that's starting to come out is that not all EHIC use is genuine use. Leading perhaps to officialdom, here and abroad, examining the use a bit more carefully. This could well be how the stories began. It's no good burying your head in the sand proclaiming the illegality. The European Commission is on the case. Not much we here, on the ground, can do about it. Not when we're sick and need the treatment NOW. Getting bolshy with those treating us will just lead to them not treating us.

I think you're probably one of those people who used to put brown envelopes unopened behind the clock in case they contained something unpleasant.

No, That'll be me.
 
its ilegal according to the eu to refuse the card

I received my regular newsletter this afternoon. I don't think this is a warning to have travel health insurance, and it says the problem is being attended to, but maybe something to bear in mind.

Warning as EHICs illegally declined in Spain and Greece

I regard moneysavingexpert as a useful and reputable site but I've heard nothing of this anywhere else. Maybe just one or two isolated instances.

dont listen to SCARE MONGERS
 
I think folk have tried to be helpful with this thread, but have opened up a can of worms and also put the cat among the pigeons and blown the cover of a lot of dodgy dealers who regularly hide away in Spain.

That could be one reason for all the pointless heat, imo. Either that, or some folk are extremely naive, which, come to think of it, wouldn't surprise me much. ;)

I think I received the same Martin Lewis buletin as maureenandtom. Though only giving it a quick perusal, my conclusion was that things may be tightening up ( especially as Spain, Greece, UK, Portugal, and Ireland are all broke and on the way to being bust). I also noted that Lewis recommended getting travel insurance as well as this card.

Now, I would say that it is patently obvious that just bc something is illegal doesn't mean it doesnt or won't happen. Authorities the world over are notorious bstds for trying to impose bull**** redtape, and also for wheedling out as much "coffee money" as they can from their victims. The more helpless the punter is, the bigger their advantage is, and by God take advantage they will, given half a chance!

The medical profession, just like the legal profession, is riddled with crooks who prey on the vulnerable.
'Tis no good throwing the hands up in the air and saying 'tis illegal and this cannot be; the truth is, as pointed out earlier, **** happens.

So that's it : beware.

Btw, all insurance is bad news too. Basically, it is yet another money-making racket that's used by the likes of bankers to generate revenue.
As ever, the punters hit back and try fiddle as much as they can. Then, we get silly TV programmes exposing the "shock/horror" of it all. Same old, same ol'.

OK, some smart guys are ahead of the game, but, in the main, the punters, ie. us, the general public, pay for the jewson lot.
Simple capitalist economics. It ain't right, but it is what happens.

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Gemani2,
I'm only about 18months on this here forum, but I learnt early on in the game that there's some right counts about, and sometimes your best efforts will NOT be appreciated, and, in fact, you'll be just as likely to get grief and abuse rather than a fkn blue peter badge. ;)

So stick with it, but take a lot of these clowns with a pinch of salt, if I were you.

Btw, several of my family live in Spain, and, though I refuse to go visiting there, I know that a sizeable proportion of the ex-pat community ( Brits, irish, germans, whatever) are dodgepots, mostly dependent on the core trade of drugs, which itself is another of these things that goes on , despite being illegal.

I wouldn't mention any of this, but the cat is already out of the bag with this thread. You realise, of course, that the rulers have folk trawling all these fora looking for leads. That's another reason why 'tis sometimes best to keep stum.

Stay well, bc being ill ain't no good at all.


sean rua.
 
Perhaps your assumption that Gemanic2's integrity was compromised was just as inaccurate as your statement ?

Never said anything about integrity being compromised. Simply said that if someone's first reaction on posting about a scam is that people should seek private insurance rather than reporting it to the police, EHIC, the health Service or any one of a number of other more appropriate authorities then I ask myself why? If you don't then that is up to you.
 
Never said anything about integrity being compromised. Simply said that if someone's first reaction on posting about a scam is that people should seek private insurance rather than reporting it to the police, EHIC, the health Service or any one of a number of other more appropriate authorities then I ask myself why? If you don't then that is up to you.

Not true, John. Gemani2's first reaction was not that people should seek private insurance. It was this:

I'm afraid that the card is being declined in some areas in Spain. I know this as work in travel insurance claims department. Some Spanish hospitals are refusing to accept the card .

Germani2. I apologise for you being continually misquoted. John does this all the time - it need not be taken seriously.
 
Not true, John. Gemani2's first reaction was not that people should seek private insurance. It was this:



Germani2. I apologise for you being continually misquoted. John does this all the time - it need not be taken seriously.

Very well, then - his second post. And you should know all about misquoting people!
 
It is up to me, correct. It is up to others to decide if they think you questioned Gemanic2's integrity also.

Of course, I questioned him - that is obvious. And there were very good reasons for questioning him. But I don't know him and cannot possibly comment on his integrity.
 

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