New SC Relay or B2B ?

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I RECOMMEND the Ablemail products on 'this platform' as in my experience they are very good bits of kit.
If someone asks me to install something, be it Ablemail, Victron, or Renogy for that matter, I would consider doing so and would charge for the work. why would I do professional work for free?
I am not trying to knock Renogy products and have nothing against them anymore than any other mid-range brand that resells generic kit. This conversation is way off topic for this thread and I for one do not intend to continue it. feel free to start a new thread on the ethics of if it is right for anyone with experience of a product to discuss it (lik you have with Renogy and I have with Ablemail and various other products I have used,.

Ah great…. “I am not trying to knock Renogy products and have nothing against them blah blah……..yet still not answering my repeated question…..what personal experience can you rely upon to evidence doubt about Renogy products “back up reputation?

Agreed, you did take the conversation way off thread and we need to return to it immediately in my view 🧐

It’s quaintly comforting that our resident ‘expert’ is able to review ‘mediocre’ products blindly though.

Sorry, just an opinion 😕
 
Ah great…. “I am not trying to knock Renogy products and have nothing against them blah blah……..yet still not answering my repeated question…..what personal experience can you rely upon to evidence doubt about Renogy products “back up reputation?
read my reply carefully and you will understand. engage brain before keyboard.
Agreed, you did take the conversation way off thread and we need to return to it immediately in my view 🧐

It’s quaintly comforting that our resident ‘expert’ is able to review ‘mediocre’ products blindly though.
I am not the resident expert if that is what you are suggesting. I am not reviewing any renogy products either. Again, read my replies CAREFULLY and maybe you will understand
Sorry, just an opinion 😕
everyone has one. Mine is that this 'conversation' is pointless and I am out. If you want to discuss futher with anyone interested, start an appopriate topic. don't hold your breath waiting for my input to it though.
 
Ah great…. “I am not trying to knock Renogy products and have nothing against them blah blah……..yet still not answering my repeated question…..what personal experience can you rely upon to evidence doubt about Renogy products “back up reputation?

Agreed, you did take the conversation way off thread and we need to return to it immediately in my view 🧐

It’s quaintly comforting that our resident ‘expert’ is able to review ‘mediocre’ products blindly though.

Sorry, just an opinion 😕
David has offered expert advice freely on this forum for years.
Quite frankly I find your resident expert comment childish, and insulting.

But let me make myself clear, I and I know many others value David’s candidness with his “expert” advice, and his undoubted “expert“ knowledge.
He has helped many of us on here, including myself.

If I am looking for honest unbiased and “expert” advice on anything electrical within my Motorhome I know where I would head for.

Sorry just an opinion. ;)
 
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David has offered expert advice freely on this forum for years.
Quite frankly I find your resident expert comment childish, and insulting.

But let me make myself clear, I and I know many others value David’s candidness with his “expert” advice, and his undoubted “expert“ knowledge.
He has helped many of us on here, including myself.

If I am looking for honest unbiased and “expert” advice on anything electrical within my Motorhome I know where I would head for.

Sorry just an opinion. ;)

I respect your opinion, despite it leaning towards cronyism. You can only have your points observations ignored or cancelled for so long though. I’m out.
 
Ah great…. “I am not trying to knock Renogy products and have nothing against them blah blah……..yet still not answering my repeated question…..what personal experience can you rely upon to evidence doubt about Renogy products “back up reputation?

Agreed, you did take the conversation way off thread and we need to return to it immediately in my view 🧐

It’s quaintly comforting that our resident ‘expert’ is able to review ‘mediocre’ products blindly though.

Sorry, just an opinion 😕
Hmm, the 'resident expert' ISN'T reviewing anything blindly is he? Has he left a review or has he simply stated that he personally wouldn't supply it on a professional level because he feels the guarantee and aftercare would not be equivalent to that of another product (Victron).
Now, you ask for if he has hard evidence of this inferiority, which I get, but personally I also understand where Wildbus is coming from.
Before retiring I was self employed and supplying and installing equipment and like anyone (or at least anyone who wants a decent business reputation) you quickly learn that your reputation hangs an the stuff you supply. If you have parts that you've supplied fail then you look incompetent for supplying them in the first place and the time/expense taken in sorting out the issue also eats into your profit or worse can take away any profit you made.
I myself have a Renogy B2B, the first one I purchased had an issue (from new) in that it didn't drop to float voltage and sat at its absorption voltage for what appeared to be indefinitely (it was supposed to drop back after between 1,and 2 hours. I reported the fault and after a bit of a quibble got it replaced. The replacement was also faulty, it's voltage dropped back to float too quickly after just a couple of mins. I've still got the 2nd unit to installed, I couldn't be bothered chasing a 2nd replacement because my carbon batteries meant the new fault wouldn't be a big issue. The fact that I received 2 brand new devices with 2 different issues indicates poor QC on Renogy 's part and shows the 'you get what you pays for' view that many folks have BUT is something I'm prepared to accept to save a few quid.
Are Wildbus's posts Ablemarl/Victron centric? Yes, and for reasons stated above.
Is this fair? Personally I think so, after all you can only post relating to ones own experiences.
Is Wildbus able to supply in depth details of the guarantee procedure for every generic supplier of electronic MH items including Renogy ? I doubt it very much, there's just too many of them.
Is he letting his previous experience of generic equipment bias his view on Renogy? Yep.
Did he choose his wording of his post perfectly? Probably not.
Are you jumping on that error in an attempt to prove a point? I suspect so but is it wrong of him to pass judgement on what he expects (as opposed to knows for sure) WRT the warranty of a generic product without actually experiencing that for himself? IMHO no, you know a punch in the face is going to hurt, even if you've never actually had a punch in the face and as a business person I wouldn't want to take a punch to the face just to be sure.
 
Ferk sake does every post on here have to end in a english dictionery of battle words, wildbus knows his biz best and others are intitled to there opinions, but now requirement for ww3 and folk getting disgruntled or pulling the plug, santa will be along soon so all be nice or i shall have a we word. ;)
 
I respect your opinion, despite it leaning towards cronyism. You can only have your points observations ignored or cancelled for so long though. I’m out.
Thanks for your respect ****.
But this has nothing to do with cronyism, just respect for a man who earns his living from installing electrical systems into motorhomes, and yet offers free professional advice on here. I just reckon he deserves better than your posts, making personal insults towards him. Also please note that David’s interventions on this thread were yet again to attempt to help. In my honest opinion David’s knowledge on said matters are second to none on here, and I know I am not alone in reckoning so.
 
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Just to end this (for me, anyway, you lot carry on!) I ordered the vctron unit and fitted it this morning and ran the engine for 20 minutes or so to make sure it was all OK. Seems so. Appeared to put a decent charge into the bttery too - much more than the old B2B/VSR thingy. It got warm but not too hot to touch. I have a couple of half hour drives tomorrow then a 1.5 hour drive in Sunday, so that'll be a good test as the weather here is making solr be a bit weak right now.

I got it online from a UK supplier (not the one that this site always hotlinks to - somewhere cheaper) and it was £199 inc. postage and came the next day.

Cheers,

-G
 
Just to end this (for me, anyway, you lot carry on!) I ordered the vctron unit and fitted it this morning and ran the engine for 20 minutes or so to make sure it was all OK. Seems so. Appeared to put a decent charge into the bttery too - much more than the old B2B/VSR thingy. It got warm but not too hot to touch. I have a couple of half hour drives tomorrow then a 1.5 hour drive in Sunday, so that'll be a good test as the weather here is making solr be a bit weak right now.

I got it online from a UK supplier (not the one that this site always hotlinks to - somewhere cheaper) and it was £199 inc. postage and came the next day.

Cheers,

-G
Thank goodness you didn't say " fitted it this morning and it doesn't work so I've got to send it back" 🤣
 
Just to end this (for me, anyway, you lot carry on!) I ordered the vctron unit and fitted it this morning and ran the engine for 20 minutes or so to make sure it was all OK. Seems so. Appeared to put a decent charge into the bttery too - much more than the old B2B/VSR thingy. It got warm but not too hot to touch. I have a couple of half hour drives tomorrow then a 1.5 hour drive in Sunday, so that'll be a good test as the weather here is making solr be a bit weak right now.

I got it online from a UK supplier (not the one that this site always hotlinks to - somewhere cheaper) and it was £199 inc. postage and came the next day.

Cheers,

-G
A very decent choice - the Orion-Tr should give you good service.

Too late now, but just to say you could have got it for under £195 as a Full Member by using the discount code for Alpha Batteries ;)
 
A very decent choice - the Orion-Tr should give you good service.

Too late now, but just to say you could have got it for under £195 as a Full Member by using the discount code for Alpha Batteries ;)

I did look there, at least I tried but their website is far too confusing. They lost by not making it easy for my dyslectic head. They don't even mention anything other than batteries on the front page and it didn't come up on google nor DDG. Their loss.

-Gordon
 
I did look there, at least I tried but their website is far too confusing. They lost by not making it easy for my dyslectic head. They don't even mention anything other than batteries on the front page and it didn't come up on google nor DDG. Their loss.

-Gordon
I won't disagree with that. Obviously Batteries are their main bread and butter but they are a major Victron dealer - however their website does not shout that out :(
 

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