Armitages A Frame - Smart Car Fire - Locksmiths Bad Luck Strikes again.

Broker's

I have discovered that it was not the insurance company who contacted me but the insurance brokers. My legal beagle told me Insurance companies tend to get a lot of flack which is sometimes not deserved. I am confident that you would not have had such an approach from an insurance company which is why I was suspicious about the contact.

He has also said I might like to contact the Financial Services Authority and report them.
 
Seems to me that Armitages have a lot to lose from not leaning very heavily on their insurance company to sort out their mess in the shortest possible time. The insurance company isn't going to lose any business and neither will the insurance broker, but Armitages are going to remain right on the front line until they make the issue go away.

Guess they have found enough time to allocate someone to trawl through all the forums to find out what people are saying about the case.
 
Seems to me that Armitages have a lot to lose from not leaning very heavily on their insurance company to sort out their mess in the shortest possible time. The insurance company isn't going to lose any business and neither will the insurance broker, but Armitages are going to remain right on the front line until they make the issue go away.

Guess they have found enough time to allocate someone to trawl through all the forums to find out what people are saying about the case.
Hello Tony,
Thanks for your comment's. A totally unrelated question but what part of the world are you in ......
 
Rapport

It really seem's to me that the good rapport that I had with Armitages would have carried on if the insurance company had not destroyed our relationship. I had already discussed with Wayne that I needed to sort things out quickly and have them fit another A frame when the car get's replaced. although it was one the most frightening things ever to happen to me and my son, I had excepted that simply a mistake had been made. I had also looked far and wide before I had them do the work and through reputation they were the best for this type of A frame.
 
Hello Tony,
Thanks for your comment's. A totally unrelated question but what part of the world are you in ......

Probably needs to be somewhere with no civil-case extradition treaty with Britain.

For a change, the location shown at the top right of my post is accurate.
 
It really seem's to me that the good rapport that I had with Armitages would have carried on if the insurance company had not destroyed our relationship

It seems as if the good rapport was largely illusory - pretty much as insubstantial as the promises of a courtesy car and the assurances and apologies that it was all their fault - and perhaps just designed to keep you nice and quiet and compliant. I don't know whether you have a couple of spare cars tucked away in the back of the garage for emergencies, but without a car to use for day to day errands, it must be a pain in the ... to have to get out the fairly large MH and negotiate all the narrow roads, traffic and height barriers just to get a loaf of bread.

All Armitages have to do to get themselves at least partly out of the ever-deepening morass they have bungled their way into is to help you out a little bit. What would a courtesy car cost them for a few weeks? After tax, two thirds of three quarters of SFA.
 
The Car

It seems as if the good rapport was largely illusory - pretty much as insubstantial as the promises of a courtesy car and the assurances and apologies that it was all their fault - and perhaps just designed to keep you nice and quiet and compliant. I don't know whether you have a couple of spare cars tucked away in the back of the garage for emergencies, but without a car to use for day to day errands, it must be a pain in the ... to have to get out the fairly large MH and negotiate all the narrow roads, traffic and height barriers just to get a loaf of bread.

All Armitages have to do to get themselves at least partly out of the ever-deepening morass they have bungled their way into is to help you out a little bit. What would a courtesy car cost them for a few weeks? After tax, two thirds of three quarters of SFA.
My transport now is my van, I had purchased the Smart car for many reasons (1) to make the regular trips to the hospital with Mandy (2) because of it's low running cost's as I'm Mandy's carer and money is in short supply (3) because it would make life much easier when I take Mandy away in the motorhome (4) I used most my saving to buy this little car when I did because it was the bargain of the century with just 1200 miles on it's new engine and in immaculate order, I would had to have saved a while longer to find another and I was left with just enough money to have the A Frame fitted.

Mandy wants me to get another Smart eventually; the two weeks we had the car with it's 70 + mpg was brilliant and she loved that we could afford to take regular summer evening drives in the country with the hood down.

So yes this car is very much missed.
 
Towbarman wrote: ‹ Select › ‹ Contract ›
The Armitage’s Smart Car Fire. Our reply.

While in no way attempting to make light of Locksmith’s disaster, it is very much a one-off incident. We will not stand in the way of a fair outcome in any way whatsoever. We are anxious to have this matter resolved and are in constant touch with our insurers to ensure that proper progress is made.

Eric Armitage



mmm ?
 
My transport now is my van, I had purchased the Smart car for many reasons (1) to make the regular trips to the hospital with Mandy (2) because of it's low running cost's as I'm Mandy's carer and money is in short supply (3) because it would make life much easier when I take Mandy away in the motorhome (4) I used most my saving to buy this little car when I did because it was the bargain of the century with just 1200 miles on it's new engine and in immaculate order, I would had to have saved a while longer to find another and I was left with just enough money to have the A Frame fitted.

Mandy wants me to get another Smart eventually; the two weeks we had the car with it's 70 + mpg was brilliant and she loved that we could afford to take regular summer evening drives in the country with the hood down.

So yes this car is very much missed.

I understand your affection for the Smart. I used to have a 700cc passion which would do 70 mpg and was fun to own.
Our current Smart is the 1.0 litre 84 turbo cabrio which was bought for the summer top-down drives that we both enjoy so much.
The new car is faster but mpg is nearer to 45 than 70mpg. I sometimes wish I had kept the old car.
We hope it won't be long before you are enjoying another Smart with all of this behind you.
Best wishes
Ken and Cathy
 
Ex broker/insurance worker

I found below quite interesting as this came from an ex broker/insurance worker.

Sedge funster 16.30 14/05/11

Jeez - I feel sorry for everybody here - except the Brokers, I must add.

Firstly Locksmith of course as he is the one with the loss - and it's never a vehicle you were wanting to see the back of really so the fire was a bit of a bonus, is it? It's inconvenient at the very best of times but in his particular circumstances it's shattering. Poor ole Locksmith.

Secondly Wayne at Armitages. If he did say what has been reported, he said what he said and he can't take that back. Yes we most definitely are told 'Never admit liability' but under the circs, all that instruction and knowledge goes straight out of the window - eg you skid on black ice - you know damn well you aren't sposed to panic but ........

So he has to explain that to Mr Armitage, who is prolly very nice, but it could be Wayne's job on the line couldn't it? Poor ole Wayne.

Thirdly Mr Armitage. He has to deal via his Brokers who have made the situation between him and his customer far worse than it was, but he is pretty much forced to still deal via them - for this claim anyway - whatever he thinks of them and whatever he does in future. He also has to try and appease his customer and try and keep him on 'hold' whilst the insurer with whom he has no direct contact, gets on with their job. If the Brokers are numpties entirely, and not just this one person - that makes things terribly terribly difficult for them. Plus Mr A knows he is currently not getting good publicity for his business which he has spent years and God knows how much money establishing. (Where are all the satisfied customers backing you up just when you need them most? Sitting at home, being satisfied ..... LOL) Poor ole Mr Armitage.

Bet come Monday neither of them two really want to get out of bed .......

Lastly I feel sorry for the insurers. Bet it isn't Wayne who completes the claim form, firms employ office personnel to deal with such things. And then that goes via the Brokers to the insurers, perhaps with a covering letter giving more details and who knows at this stage what they said? Perhaps they phoned it in to the insurers - ditto. So the guys who are actually potentially going to have to cough up for this aren't exactly getting a first-hand account of this horrible situation, are they? Poor ole insurers ........

I either worked for insurance companies or brokers for 40 years. I wouldn't do it again for a fat pig, thanks. And personally, we have had motor claims (notably a motorbike accident) where everything that could possibly go wrong, went wrong (including a close relative actually dying whilst we were on our way again from the scene but of course that had no bearing on liability) and we ended up eventually taking the TP to court, virtually unassisted by our ruddy insurers. And landed up with the judge awarding us more than what we actually asked for. So you could say I've seen it from both - in fact all - sides ...........

Locksmith, insurers will sort it out. And they'd most likely do it a lot better and quicker if it wasn't for everybody else putting their own personal oars in.
 
I found below quite interesting as this came from an ex broker/insurance worker.

Sedge funster 16.30 14/05/11

Jeez - I feel sorry for everybody here - except the Brokers, I must add.

Firstly Locksmith of course as he is the one with the loss - and it's never a vehicle you were wanting to see the back of really so the fire was a bit of a bonus, is it? It's inconvenient at the very best of times but in his particular circumstances it's shattering. Poor ole Locksmith.

Secondly Wayne at Armitages. If he did say what has been reported, he said what he said and he can't take that back. Yes we most definitely are told 'Never admit liability' but under the circs, all that instruction and knowledge goes straight out of the window - eg you skid on black ice - you know damn well you aren't sposed to panic but ........

So he has to explain that to Mr Armitage, who is prolly very nice, but it could be Wayne's job on the line couldn't it? Poor ole Wayne.

Thirdly Mr Armitage. He has to deal via his Brokers who have made the situation between him and his customer far worse than it was, but he is pretty much forced to still deal via them - for this claim anyway - whatever he thinks of them and whatever he does in future. He also has to try and appease his customer and try and keep him on 'hold' whilst the insurer with whom he has no direct contact, gets on with their job. If the Brokers are numpties entirely, and not just this one person - that makes things terribly terribly difficult for them. Plus Mr A knows he is currently not getting good publicity for his business which he has spent years and God knows how much money establishing. (Where are all the satisfied customers backing you up just when you need them most? Sitting at home, being satisfied ..... LOL) Poor ole Mr Armitage.

Bet come Monday neither of them two really want to get out of bed .......

Lastly I feel sorry for the insurers. Bet it isn't Wayne who completes the claim form, firms employ office personnel to deal with such things. And then that goes via the Brokers to the insurers, perhaps with a covering letter giving more details and who knows at this stage what they said? Perhaps they phoned it in to the insurers - ditto. So the guys who are actually potentially going to have to cough up for this aren't exactly getting a first-hand account of this horrible situation, are they? Poor ole insurers ........

I either worked for insurance companies or brokers for 40 years. I wouldn't do it again for a fat pig, thanks. And personally, we have had motor claims (notably a motorbike accident) where everything that could possibly go wrong, went wrong (including a close relative actually dying whilst we were on our way again from the scene but of course that had no bearing on liability) and we ended up eventually taking the TP to court, virtually unassisted by our ruddy insurers. And landed up with the judge awarding us more than what we actually asked for. So you could say I've seen it from both - in fact all - sides ...........

Locksmith, insurers will sort it out. And they'd most likely do it a lot better and quicker if it wasn't for everybody else putting their own personal oars in.

I could not agree more.

Brownhills, there was a list of problems which they new about and failed to sort out. This time it could be one of those freak problems that nobody could predict. It may have been with the Smart car and have nothing to do with the Aframe fitting. We do not know.

Armitages may never recover from this and go under. Putting all who work there out of work. If Armitages are guilty of repeated failures then that would be reasonable, however if this was one mistake by one person once?? I fail to see how that helps Locksmith.

Richard
 
I have thought long and Hard about what has gone by. I know fault's lay with Armitages on a possible three counts but definitely on 2 and 3 (1) the fitting (2) being told the dragging is normal and give it more Welly (3) allowing me to leave without proper checks being done that would have prevented the fire.
Armitages premises are such that you are less than a mile from the motorway putting you on the A1M very quickly. if I had not been warned by the lorry driver the lay by I stopped at would have been where I would have stopped anyway to do my checks as this was the first safe place I had seen to stop.
I feel that Wayne and Armitages have had their hands tied by the Brokers and although Wayne did make promises to me and say he thought the fault was a kinked cable nothing that Wayne said caused the fire.
The main thing here as far as I can see is (3) I was allowed to leave without the proper check being carried out after reporting the dragging, this would have saved the car and established the fault whether it be with the car or the A Frame, I was assured all was normal and relied on them the experts.
I will ask if it is possible to have these threads removed on Tuesday as I realise there are peoples jobs at stake but most of all Mandy has asked me to, since the brokers intimidating call and Mandy was made aware she has been very anxious and I worried this is taking it's toll on her health, I say Tuesday to allow those who have showed interest to know why I will ask for the threads to be removed.
This is my last posting until it's over.
Thank you all for your help and comments including the negative one's.
 
I have thought long and Hard about what has gone by. I know fault's lay with Armitages on a possible three counts but definitely on 2 and 3 (1) the fitting (2) being told the dragging is normal and give it more Welly (3) allowing me to leave without proper checks being done that would have prevented the fire.
Armitages premises are such that you are less than a mile from the motorway putting you on the A1M very quickly. if I had not been warned by the lorry driver the lay by I stopped at would have been where I would have stopped anyway to do my checks as this was the first safe place I had seen to stop.
I feel that Wayne and Armitages have had their hands tied by the Brokers and although Wayne did make promises to me and say he thought the fault was a kinked cable nothing that Wayne said caused the fire.
The main thing here as far as I can see is (3) I was allowed to leave without the proper check being carried out after reporting the dragging, this would have saved the car and established the fault whether it be with the car or the A Frame, I was assured all was normal and relied on them the experts.
I will ask if it is possible to have these threads removed on Tuesday as I realise there are peoples jobs at stake but most of all Mandy has asked me to, since the brokers intimidating call and Mandy was made aware she has been very anxious and I worried this is taking it's toll on her health, I say Tuesday to allow those who have showed interest to know why I will ask for the threads to be removed.
This is my last posting until it's over.
Thank you all for your help and comments including the negative one's.

I just want to say that not only me but many Spanish motor home owners are watching this and we all wish you the very best to you and you wife, Good luck. Ken and friends here in Spain
 
Thread removal

Locksmith has contacted me and asked me to remove this thread on Tuesday.

I intend on soft deleting the thread (so it can be reactivated if required).

Phil
 
It is all well and good to now feel sorry for everyone except locksmith - on the basis that gee, Armitages are between a rock and a hard place because their hands are tied by their insurers - and of course there is poor Wayne. Remind me who sent Locksmith on his way with a 'she'll be right mate'. Then there are people who might lose their jobs. What people, the ones who didn't check their work?

Facts are, Armitages - of their own volition and regardless of what the insurance company said - COULD have provided a courtesy car as promised without in any way prejudicing their claim with the insurance company. They COULD even have given locksmith a new car without prejudice and hope their insurance company pays up. They could have done LOTS of things without in any way prejudicing their insurance claim or their business ---

--- but they didn't.
 
Locksmith has contacted me and asked me to remove this thread on Tuesday.

I intend on soft deleting the thread (so it can be reactivated if required).

Phil

Well done Phil. I really feel free for 'locksmith' but also the supplier in this. Sometimes the 'oxygen' of publicity is not a good thing.

I do feel that this topic was started in haste after only two working days (effectively) at a time when a multiplicty of public holidays caused pressure of work in many a small business.
 
Pressure of work not let you off ?????
You get paid to do the job RIGHT !!!!!
 
Pressure of work does not let you off ?????
You get paid to do the job RIGHT !!!!!
 

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