Awning Brackets

[izwozral]

We had what Rob is proposing but that was just to stop the dog getting itself tied up in knots and occasionally it did help when we're unable to drive pegs into the ground.

 

[Robmac]

Apart from the ability to have your awning out no matter what surface you are parked on, I don't see the advantage.
What am I missing?

Mainly to avoid the use of guy ropes Tim as Ral said.

But in my case, it's not to stop the dog getting tied in knots, it's to stop it happening to me!

 

[zzr1400tim]

Ordinary rivets do not really lend themselves to fitting the bracket too well, but rivnuts and short bolts would.

use bulb-tite rivets Rob. Excellent load spreading on blind side and waterproof too

 

[wildebus]

I understand there is a rule in the typical french aire that you cannot put out an awning that has legs that rest on the ground. So van-side mounted supports would circumvent that restriction.

 

[Robmac]

use bulb-tite rivets Rob. Excellent load spreading on blind side and waterproof too

Another good shout Tim but I wonder if the force needed to put them in would shatter the plastic bracket, whereas Rivnuts (or even Rubnuts) can be tightened to whatever strength is needed behind the bracket and then the bolts through the bracket.

 

[zzr1400tim]

nah.. the setting force is no more than a "normal" blind rivet so shouldn't damage the bracket . Trouble with rivnuts is that they can "spin" especially in thin gauge material (and they have to be carefully set too)
(I used to be the West Mids technical sales rep for Gesipa many many years ago) ideally I would need to see the actual plastic bracket..

https://www.aptoolsltd.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Gesipa_rivets_BULB-TITE.pdf

 

[Robmac]

nah.. the setting force is no more than a "normal" blind rivet so shouldn't damage the bracket . Trouble with rivnuts is that they can "spin" especially in thin gauge material (and they have to be carefully set too)
(I used to be the West Mids technical sales rep for Gesipa many many years ago) ideally I would need to see the actual plastic bracket..

https://www.aptoolsltd.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Gesipa_rivets_BULB-TITE.pdf

Here you go Tim;



There is also a rubber pad to hold the bracket off of the paintwork behind the bracket.

 

[zzr1400tim]

they look well robust enough Rob. why not bring one with you the weekend and I can measure the counterbore & depth etc and maybe recommend a rivet solution if you want?

 

[Robmac]

Here you go Tim;

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There is also a rubber pad to hold the bracket off of the paintwork behind the bracket.

By the way @campervanannie I got a set included with the awning so I will return yours at our next mini meet x

 

[Robmac]

they look well robust enough Rob. why not bring one with you the weekend and I can measure the counterbore & depth etc and maybe recommend a rivet solution if you want?

Spot on Tim will do.

Are they fitted with a standard Rivet gun?

 

[trevskoda]

Why dont you fit a clamped bracket coming out under the sill, it would work for both front and back fixing points.

 

[Robmac]

Why dont you fit a clamped bracket coming out under the sill, it would work for both front and back fixing points.

Unfortunately Trev, the rear one is exactly where the back wheel is as luck would have it!

 

[jagmanx]

When I get a bit tired !
I use "Yawning brackets"

 

[Robmac]

When I get a bit tired !
I use "Yawning brackets"

Here's some spares to be going on with - ((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))

 

[zzr1400tim]

Spot on Tim will do.

Are they fitted with a standard Rivet gun?

yes mate

 

[Boris7]

I’ve done a similar thing to this but I’ve modified 2 glass lifters (can’t send photos as I’m away working) but this sort of thing Here they work a treat and no drilling.

 

[Robmac]

I’ve done a similar thing to this but I’ve modified 2 glass lifters (can’t send photos as I’m away working) but this sort of thing Here they work a treat and no drilling.

Hadn't considered that Kev. Although I think they may be a little wide for the pillar.

If I'm not sorted by then, I wouldn't mind seeing a photo' of your setup when you get back if it's not too much trouble?

 

[wildebus]

I’ve done a similar thing to this but I’ve modified 2 glass lifters (can’t send photos as I’m away working) but this sort of thing Here they work a treat and no drilling.

Sounds good. But the left one narrow enough to fit in on a B Pillar?

 

[Robmac]

Sounds good. But the left one narrow enough to fit in on a B Pillar?

My thoughts as well David. (crossed posts!).

Could possibly go on the filler cap cover though as I won't need to access that when parked. Only problem there is that there is a decal which runs across the cover which I wouldn't want to damage.

 

[Boris7]

badly drawn on an iPad but basically this

The downside on your van Rob is you’d put this on the passengers door and if you wanted to use that door while parked up you’d waste a tie wrap each time.

If there’s no wind you don’t need the tie wrap, but Sod’s law may well catch you out.

On a coach build its 2 tie wraps each stay.

I had some screw / rivet on brackets but couldn’t bring myself to drill the holes, so just found what I could in the workshop.